In the book Blockchain Revolution by Don Tapscott, I think I've spoken about this before, but he asks a question, why do you need a $60,000,000,000 company called Uber when most of the process most of the process, centralized by Uber could be automated, reducing the cost for upkeep of the platform and making it easier for drivers to create their own platforms? So, basically, already, when this guy wrote this book in, I believe it was, like, 2015, 2016 or something like that, they were asking the question, how can we basically provide all of the services that platforms like Uber give us but without needing the centralized company of Uber to be in charge of all of that. And that's, like, super interesting in the context of my previous interview with Jason from the drivers cooperative because I think well, on one side, these sort of business people are thinking of platforms, as a way to automate the need for administration and, like, automate the need for I mean, basically, workers and, to reduce the costs of its, of its functioning. But in the case of the drivers cooperative, which is a platform cooperative, they're going about it in a way of, like, getting rid of the Uber company, but instead, actually, literally, it is the workers who own it. And so we have this, like, decentralized, ownership of the entirety of the company. And so while I don't think that Don Tapscott was, is like that much of an evangelist of cooperatives and of like using the cooperative structure for DAOs, I do think that there is like, an an understanding that as technology progresses and makes it cheaper and easier for coordination and collaboration across a digital space, which is inherently across a geographic space as well, it makes it a whole lot easier for cooperatives to be made or cooperative versions of already existing platforms, which is basically it's sort of like starting from different places but coming to the same conclusion, in the case of platform cooperatives and, DAOs.