Speaker 0
0:05 – 11:15
Thanks so much for coming along to this little update. We try and do these every so often. You might come to our one, a few months ago where we're talking about they work for you Votes, whereas today we're telling you about some of the broader stuff we've been up to on TheyWorkForYou. We're calling it a richer view of parliament, and what we're trying to achieve here is kind of make the most of the fact that we are, yeah, we're a non parliamentary source and, not an official parliament website, which means we can pull on all sorts of sources of information to give a richer view. And our aim here, as always, is to make parliament more accessible, understandable, and accountable, and that goes for all of The UK's parliaments. Over the last few years, we've been expanding to give coverage to all of the parliaments. But today, we're talking more about some of the, source of information that are more focused on the Westminster parliament. And these are both kind of semi semi parliamentary outside parliament work that we've been doing ourselves to get more data and bring that into TheyWorkForYou. So just a quick little structure about how we're gonna go about today. Firstly, I'm talking you through our brand new features on TheyWorkForYou. If you've been on the site recently, you might have spotted a few new things, and we're excited to talk you through those today. So I'll be talking about our early day motions and open letters in the sort of signature section and our new data on APPG memberships. And then Alex will take over from me to talk about the improvements of some of our other features, profile pages, more voting content, and some really exciting updates to our email alert service. And then we'll have some time for questions. I don't think this will take the full hour, but, there's plenty of time there if you do have any questions. So jumping right into the stuff that is new. Open letters and early day motions. We, as I mentioned at the beginning, are excited that, they work for you. We can offer this amazing service of bringing in information from across, lots of different sources, and we want to give a richer picture of how democracy works. So people know us for our voting records, and those are still really important. Alex is talking a bit about them later. We published a blog yesterday on our most recent updates to voting records. But we also want to give a more holistic understanding of what MPs do. We know that they do a lot more than just vote. And, yeah, what differentiates MPs from each other, the signals that they give about their values and interests and where they fall on policy arguments. And so as you can see in this, section on the right, this is the new sidebar on they work for you, and we have this section called signatures. So early day motions, many of you in the audience may already know this, but there's something of an internal parliamentary petition service. They don't have very particularly formal powers, but it's about MPs being able to lodge, like, their opinion on something to show their position. MPs can propose their own motions and cosign motions proposed by others. And, yeah, they're useful in reflecting the live interest of different MPs quite often. They're very topical. And you may have seen this week, I think it was on Tuesday, the lead story on The Guardian was about an early day motion about prince Andrew. And you can see there that the bottom screenshot is from day work for you. So we are showing early day motions that are signed along with, what they are called and, the other members who have signed them. But, we're also moving beyond early day motions because parliament does also make early day motion data available to looking at open letters. And we've noticed a trend where open letters are increasingly being shared, on social media, as a kind of alternative to early day motions. They serve many of the same purposes, and there's a more immediacy to them, because you can prepare them and get them out on social media quickly. But the nature of them as kind of screenshots of parliamentary paper mean that they are hard to easily search and understand, if your MP assigned them. So we now have these loaded into they work for you votes and feeding into they work for you, which makes the content of the letter searchable and the signatories easy easily searchable and, you know, you can sort a to z, all of that sort of thing, see where your MP has signed. And I've got a little bit of data about this in a second, but it's worth saying, as with all of the features we're talking about today, there's almost always a form there to say if you've got a new, open letter that you like to tell us about or a mistake or anything like that so that we can keep these really up to date. And, yeah, in case you're interested, we had a little look at the numbers here, and had a think about why maybe open letters were becoming more popular. And I think format is an important point here because they are free from the format restrictions that early day motions have. So an early day motion has to be one single sentence and it has to be less than 250 words. As you may have seen, a lot of these letters are a lot more than one sentence and 250 words, which can be important if you are trying to represent a nuanced position or maybe kind of bring together MPs who have quite complicated views around a kind of shared position. Having more space to do that helps. And there's another, a load more benefits as I mentioned about, you know, the speed of getting them out on social media. And if you're interested, yeah, the number of early day motions proposed has remained roughly the same, but the signatures have dropped a lot. And so there's half as many signatures as there were in 2025. Sorry, 2015. And the number of signatures, per EDM has also dropped to less than half. So that is, yeah, our early day motions and open letters. And so that signatures tab is there for you to go and have a look at, and we keep updated. As we say, please keep us informed if you spot any, early day motion if you spot any open letters that you'd like us to take lead on there. Moving on to all party parliamentary group memberships. You may have seen that we've been doing some work on all party parliamentary groups for a while. We spotted that after the election, the the, we were kind of tracking the number of APPGs. And after the rule change, there was a huge shock in APPGs as well. So we've been looking at them for a while, but this is the first time that we've been able to make membership data available. We're really excited about this because it, isn't something that's been made available before. Parliament only gives the four offices of each all party parliamentary group, but each group must have at least 20 members to be constituted. If you haven't come across the all party parliamentary group before, they are groups of MPs and members of the house of lords and external members, and more on the external members later, who come together around a shared policy interests. They don't have any particular formal powers, but they can be really influential. Some of the groups are really big and very active. Some of the groups are really small and less active. But they are a route where money can flow into parliament, and where some important policy debates happen. So we've been really interested in these for a long time. We're also interested in them because we as we say, we're trying to portray a kind of more holistic, understanding of an MP, what their interests are, how they spend their time working in parliament. And I think all party parliamentary groups can be a really interesting way to find out what you and your MP might have in common. So, yeah, we're really excited to make this membership data available. Our process of finding this out was, had a few steps to it. So firstly, Alex built a scraper, and then we had volunteers help us check the work of that scraper. And we found membership lists for 205 of the groups online. And so all part of parliamentary groups can have a website. Many of them do have a website, but they don't all have a website. And, of those that do have websites, they don't all publish their membership lists either. They're not required to. They either have to make them available online or given them to us when we ask. So 205 did make them available online, and we found them and loaded them in through that route. And then we contacted the remaining by email, and a 140 of of them gave us their membership information. Two of them were in touch but declined to give their list for various reasons, and 94 didn't respond. And so that was kinda disappointing, but we are feeding this into our kind of bigger picture that we will then eventually bring back to the parliamentary commissioner. Just a few things to note here. From our findings, six fifty MPs belong to at least one old party parliamentary group. So you can see that the, most MPs, the vast, vast majority are a member of an old party parliamentary group. Only 35 don't take part in any at all, and that is largely government government ministers who aren't allowed to be a member of an all party parliamentary group. On average, MPs are a member of 10, and half of MPs are in at least eight. Eight. And so you can see the distribution there. For anyone who's interested, it's Sharon Hodgson, MP, who is a member of 63 all party parliamentary groups. And there's a good good range of topics in there as well. One thing just to note here that we found interesting was the language in the guide to the rules, for all party parliamentary groups said that we could ask for the membership list that included parliamentary members and non parliamentary members. But, the understanding of what a non parliamentary member is is quite, confused, across the different groups. The rules say that it is one who has asked to be on the group's membership list, but the nature of the way that the secretariat sometimes run these groups or other features, but it's not really clear what membership list really is, and so some people took that as a mailing list. The screenshots you can see on this page are actually from the open banking APPG, which was a really interesting case. You can see that top, screenshot is from their parliamentary page, and that is the, financial contributions that they have declared, which are above £1,500. But they in their list of members that they sent us took non parliamentary members as donors, which is a much broader list that we wouldn't have found out about if we hadn't have asked. So we're still paying a bit of attention to this, going to be looking a bit more into this in the future. But, just an interesting quirk and, again, a case where we're dig doing this digging, we find out that the rules, in practice can be different to how they're written in in paper, or there are differences in how they're understood. And, yeah, this is basically all from me before I hand over to Alex, but I just wanted to flag in this kind of busy slide that there are lots of places that you can get this all party parliamentary group data. And it's been really encouraging to see. I think we put it live on Tuesday morning, and there's been lots of interest already. These bottom left, as I've shown you already, you can visit your MP's page on they work for you. And under the committees and all party parliamentary groups tab, you can see all of the groups that your MP is a part of and kind of toggle down to see, more information about them, see if they have a website, and then it'll also take you to the APPG register. In the middle top there, you can see from our data site, you can download the full spreadsheet, the full data set for all of the all party parliamentary group data that we found, which needless to say, as I say, is not totally complete because we didn't get totally complete responses. That is available there to download as Excel, JSON, or dataset, whatever you would like to do with it. And then on the right hand side is actually just to say that, information about all party parliamentary groups has been loaded into the local intelligence hub. And so this bottom right one is where we have a kind of table builder, and you can compare APPG membership with loads of other factors. And then the top right is from an individual MP, page on the Alexa intelligence hub. So just more ways to navigate this data. Be really keen to hear from you what you do with it, what you're interested in about it, so we can make it as helpful as possible. So I'm Alex. I'm gonna be covering two areas sort of building on those big new areas of data, sort of cover areas where we've been sort of tidying up and improving instead of our old work.
Speaker 1
11:15 – 25:51
So the first area we're gonna cover is a huge improvement to the MP profile pages. So these had a complete redesign. Moving the menu to left here is more than just moving it to the left. It means that we can have more content to to pick up these all these new areas and gives us more future proofing to be able to, like, have more different kinds of information and make it easier to explore the stuff we already had. So for instance, we've, separated out speeches and questions into its own page here, which makes it a bit easier to see how to get around it. And, we've similarly on the registered interest page, gone through and given it the expand and just new buttons we were using on a different part of the site. So basically, in every single page here, we had a bit of a look. How could we add a bit more hand holding language to help these people understand what's going on in here, and how we can just tidy up and make it a bit easier to move around these MP profile pages, which we sort of see as, like, the core of what's lay work for you is doing. So as part of that, on those vote sections, we've added added links to context in other areas of the site. So in the recent votes page, we bound and have linked the vote analysis content, which is our fuller analysis for vote in, votes that they work foryou.com, which contains more stuff about party breakdowns, contains more stuff about the motion where we've been able to reconcile that with Hansard. But we're also, where possible, linked to if an MP spoke in the same section as a vote, we link to any speeches they made there. So this is temperamental in the sense that sometimes, debates go across multiple sections. But as a sort of, you know, proof of concept, this works quite nicely, especially for if an MP is quite involved in a bill, their speeches are now quite easy to link to from there. On the voting summaries page, in addition to seeing the all time voting record, you can now see the voting comparisons for specific periods, including the current parliament. And part of the reason here and so this example is from Diane Abbott, who's been around, for all the periods we cover back from nineteen ninety seven parliament and, obviously, significantly before that. But it makes it easier to click around on the historic votes and in principle also to look at just the more recent votes, including the current parliament. We may in we future switch the default view to look at just the current parliament to help better surface the recent votes people are probably looking for, but we also want to think about how we best balance this with the importance of the long term view. So we're sort of we're we're balancing this up at the moment, but for the moment, all the data is there, and you can switch between them. We're also laying the groundwork, for linking to public statements from public for for voting record summaries. So one of the interesting things that TheyWorkForYou has set a part in changing is that MPs are now more likely to give public statements about why they voted a certain way. And that's really interesting. We want to capture that and show it back to the people visiting the site. So on the they work for you vote site, we have the functionality to let us and potentially in future MPs directly add links to public statements they made to votes. And when that now when that happens, the votes that we include in the voting summary, we now show a link here that people can click through. So I hope my hair's not in the way. It might be. But there is a, a a link here to public statements made about this particular vote. At the moment, we've done this for five votes on the assisted dying third reading, two pro, pro, two against, and one abstain. But we think now all the pipes are in place, and we can get this information all the way from the votes page to the, you know, very the high profile voting summaries page. We're thinking about how we can best gather more data systematically first on that vote because we it's an interesting free vote to gather more information about, but also, how we could in future make it easier for MPs to submit things themselves. But that is in part, yep, laying the steps along the way. Similarly, we've also flagged this one as a free vote, and we'd like to capture more whip in information where possible on a series of votes. This isn't publicly available. The House of Commons library has a selection of votes that are known to be free votes, but in some cases, it this is in this is known to be incomplete because whips, sorry. Votes can be whipped for some parties and not others. And so while our framework lets us capture this information, figuring out how to display it is a bit more complicated. So, again, what we're doing there is we're thinking about how do we display it when we get to this page that we want to be simple and comprehensive. And then coming back all the steps to, like, how do we gather the data that feeds into that. So this is very much an early work in progress in how we get that data there. But in the long run, I'd like to, again, gather more information that is outside what's happening in parliament and help get it into these pages to help people understand more about their MP. Second set of things I'm gonna talk about is our email alerts. So TheyWorkfew sends a lot of emails. Every day we run the email alerts and hundreds of thousands of emails sometimes go out. Most of these are for people with alerts for their own representatives, but, there's a very strong use of email alerts as a parliamentary monitoring tool. And what we found talking to people in the past is that the alerts help move information around parliament, through government, and through civil society. And this is especially important for smaller organizations that wouldn't otherwise have the capacity. So here's some sort of quotes we sort of found last time we surveyed people just in terms of, you know, organizations that couldn't can't afford dedicated parliamentary monitoring, that can't have a member of staff on it all the time. I like this example, especially of a child poverty group who, were getting the subscriptions to written answers from, the DWP ministers, and that was giving them the clearest view of policy changes that helps them, you know, help their clients. Similarly, we had a response, I think, from someone in DWP who was like, this is, you know, a fast way of getting information about because there's large operational department people all over the country that actually that was a relatively good way of finding out about updated change to policies. So again, it's just helping to get especially the written questions and answers through the system and helping people understand more about changes in government policy and what's going on inside parliament. Yes. So we've done three things to improve this for this group. So we've made it easier to create more complicated keyword alerts. We have a feature to suggest useful phrases to include, and we made it easier to view recent mentions on the alerts in the website as well as in the inbox to help better manage alerts. So for the first step, previously, you'd have to assemble, a, a search in the in yeah. Assemble a search in the in the search bar using a series of ores and advanced search operators, which people can do, but there not many people were making use of it, and so we've built a new interface. That is just, at a very base level, makes it easy to group multiple phrases together. So here's an example where I'm looking for information about freedom information. I've got freedom information. I've got FOIs, a different search word, so now this search will get results for both of those. But we've also tried to think about how we can help people know what those terms are because it's not always clear what is the term of art used inside parliament for a specific debate. So what we did was we built a big, big vector search table, which helps find things that are similar in meaning rather than similar in words, of what's in parliament of of the parliament transcripts of the last ten years. And then using common terms we know about from previous searches, we look for where we could suggest additional ones that were similar. So in this case, it's taken electric vehicle, suggested electric car, and EV as potential extra terms to include. At the moment, this is limited to a certain amount of queries because we're testing it out, and it's sort of an example of how we can sort of we're looking at, like, low resource uses of where machine learning can help us out because no machine learning or AI is used as people are using the terminal. But as in the past, we've done the data crunching to help improve things a bit. So we're thinking about how we can best keep this feature up to date in the long run and provide a model for other parliamentary monitoring sites in terms of sustainable use without massive changes to our underlying infrastructure. And this is sort of a a nice, quality of life thing in terms of, trying to just in terms of managing lots of different requests. So when you, gets when you get through, you can review the results of your search. You can see how many were mentioned last week, when it was last mentioned. If it was never mentioned, it might be a bad search. And we're simply able to click through and see the kind of things that were related recently. So, again, just helping you review and make good search choices rather than just guessing as you went through keywords. So also we've also made it easier to manage, how how the alerts are managed. And this helps people have a greater range of alerts for different kinds of subjects. So you can see which ones have just on the they work for you stash alert page, you can see which ones have recent mentions and also click through to the results in the browser. So, again, here, what we're trying to do here is make it a bit easier, both to get alerts in your inbox, but also if, say, you're sharing an account between a few members of staff at a small organization, just to be able to see here is things that happened in the last week, be able to check-in on that periodically. It's just a nice little way of, you know, keeping in touch with parliament about it. It didn't need to be anyone's full day full time job. Cool. That's the end of the alert stuff. Any questions on that in a bit? But I'm just gonna share a few more things that, we're adding in the next weeks and months. So, hopefully, in the next few weeks, we've been creating the tools and features we need to make the most of our coverage of debates. And, especially, as Julia said, that we're not the official parliament website, so we have a bit more freedom to add context around the margins to help people understand what's going on. So we want to be able to add better context and explain as a key debate. So so far, the vote annotation, I think I've already talked about previously, if you if you have a if if you if you're if they work for you if you if you've entered they work for you looking for your MP, it will highlight if your MP has made a specific statement about a decision in a in a vote. At the moment, that's near, like, four people, but in the future, it would more. And, similarly, we've improved the approach we had to Wikipedia data matching to we because we previously and continue to link to Wikipedia articles that match content to debate. We've include improved the approach there using, new, NLP techniques to better work out what is the or appropriate links. And we're still testing this out, but we have much fewer false positives at the moment. So, basically, we're trying to make links links that are there should be more relevant. Coming up in the next few weeks is improved display of our glossary, where we've been doing some work in in terms of how we manage it, display it ourselves. And we've revived, the old they work for you annotation feature, not at this point for public use, but for our use in terms of being able to make it easier for us to add context to debates. So we'll if a high profile debate comes up, we now have more options to say, here is what's happening. Here is you know, because because it's not always clear from the parliamentary transcript exactly what's going on. And sometimes very interesting things happen sort of between the lines. And so we sort of want that ability to go back in and say, like, here is what was happening when this was going on. So this is something we're sort of building the capacity for ourselves at the moment. In the future, we may also be interested in opening it up to other trusted partners. But for the moment, we're just sort of building the groundwork for us to, I guess, do what I just see as, like, normal stuff that isn't new feature, but is, like, continuous, like, making the parliament easier to understand, to lay in the groundwork for future work. Something we'll have to talk about in the next few weeks is something we call write to them insights. So a thing we run alongside they work for you is Write to Them, which helps people write to their representatives at different levels of government in The UK. So you enter your postcode, you get your counselor if you're in, the bold areas of the country. You see more people than just your MP. What we don't have a good view on is what people are writing about through the site because we don't read people's messages except in certain circumstances where that's enough privacy policy, but in rare circumstances, we do that. But basically, we don't systematically look at it, so we don't want those in it. So what we've been doing is running a survey of people to ask them again what just in a sentence, what did you write about? And we've been doing analysis, putting in some instant cluster l l m l l m l l m, there we go, usage to understand a bit more about what people are writing about in that. And that's sort of some really interesting, divisions between, like, Katie's work and campaign or policy usage at the site. And this is informing our future plans for how we can make right to them more useful of people and getting the right message to the right place. So more on that in the next few weeks, but some really interesting stuff coming out of that survey. On our who funds them work, where we are continuing our work in looking at money in politics. So, you know, one of the small upgrades in this one was, making the register of interests upgrades more more uniform through the site. We have two reports in the pipeline that we hope to get out in the next few months. The first is leaky pipes, got a nice leaky leaky pipe there, which is our report about the collection system for election donation data, where to to spoil it, the the collection system for election donation data is difficult to understand. There are diagrams in there that do not help you out, but sort of explain that it's difficult to understand. And the second is the helpfully titled untitled written questions report, where we've been using AI approaches to explore overlaps between written questions and MPs declared interests. And so this gives us an interesting new window to do kind of analysis that is difficult to do at scale, where in principle, it's technically possible. Parliamentary rules make it quite difficult to access the results. So sort of a a range of practical and policy results coming out of that one, which we'll have more to say in the next few months. How you can help. Thank you all for coming. That's you know, it is nice to have an audience. That's one way you can help. So, certainly, one thing you can do is use the site and give us feedback. These are new features. We've got buttons all over the place to help give us feedback about, like, where people have the wrong information, especially on APPGs. We're anticipating some of these will be wrong because we're getting the lists that may be out of date on APPG websites. We're hoping this is part of a process where everyone keeps things more up to date, so it's easy to to to work this out, but there may be some teething troubles in that. So we expect things to be a bit wrong. We're very open to, like, where where, you know, things need to be corrected. Similarly, tell other people about these new features and work. Like, we we think you know, adding this up the last few days, we've made a lot of changes to how they work for you is run this year with they work for you votes providing better analysis of stuff on the voting end through all these new features to give you a richer view of what MPs are up to. So please, if you're interested in they work for you and you know other people who might be, please tell them there's more to see than there was a few weeks ago. We've got a newsletter, up by society.org to tell you more about our work. So, please, if you want to hear more about what we're doing in the future, please go there. If that's the wrong link, which I'm suddenly panicking about, maybe someone will put in the chat the right link. And especially one thing you can do is support us financially. We want to run the best version of these sites to make UK democracy more accessible, and we want it to be freely available. To be able to do the best version of that, we do need financial support support, but we can't offer more much more than what we give everyone for free anyway. Every donation helps us go further and faster in the work we're doing. We think there's a real role for from the outside, joining up more of these official and unofficial sources. And just generally, we've got a philosophy that's it's not just asking parliament to be better, but there are things we can do to improve democracy from the outside, and we're optimistic about our capacity to do so. So just if that's something you wanna help out with, you know, the donate links are not only on this slide, but everywhere all over the site, and it's always appreciated, and it really makes a big difference. So I think that's the end of my things. If I'm right, the next slide will just say big questions. It does. It's question time. So,
Speaker 0
25:51 – 26:09
somebody's saying what would really help them is to see an at a glance brief description of the content of a bill or issue that the MP is voting for. And also amendments, we know how hard it is. We feel the same way trying to track amendments to a bill and what they're trying to do. Find that information coming back to voting records.
Speaker 1
26:09 – 27:38
Yeah. Alex, have you, like, comments on that? Obviously, by putting them in voting records, we're trying to kind of cluster them. I think some of the stuff you're saying about the work we're doing about annotating debates fits into this. But yeah. I'll let you start. No. This is a it's interesting because one of the things we're sort of doing at the moment is looking a lot at international parliamentary monitoring sites, and many of them have as as a sort of core component bill analysis, which isn't something we do a lot of. So one of the things the parliament's API has got better on this. One of the things that we are doing a loose way is on the they work for you website. There are tags, which sort of group votes on the same bill together where we can find them, which sometimes usefully pulls up the legislative consent from the devolved parliaments. We'd like to get better at this. There's especially there's this piece of work I'd like to do on there's there's a there's a few piece of work to do. I'd like to move the range of on the House of Lords, and one of which is making the amendments flowing between the two houses easier to understand. We think there is good potential in especially using, new element based technologies to extract information from those PDFs the amendments are in. Like, I think it's very plausible to get better at putting those amendments out. One of the things, that happens in the work for you notes now is we match we've tried to associate the votes with the motion where we know it. So we have a bit more be able to click back from the vote to what was being voted on. But as things are live, it'd be much better to be able to pull that up the amendment paper. So currently, we are making baby steps in certain directions. It would be a big new thing, but I think it would be certainly worthwhile. So basically, yes, it's a problem. We haven't solved it. I'd like to. I think it's possible. So yes.
Speaker 0
27:39 – 28:36
Yeah. Absolutely. But yeah. But I think there's more people in the chat as well saying the same thing that, it is extraordinarily hard to follow the different votes on a particular bill, and we as we were saying I get very frustrated by the Lords ones. It's very, very, very annoying. We share that pain, and we are excited. Well, we're excited. We're optimistic people generally, but optimistic that we can play a role here. So thank you for pointing that out. Really, really, nice to hear and helpful. Thank you, Catherine, for your nice comment. Chris has asked us about how do we get this information to ordinary folk who may have voted but take no part in how we are governed. Yeah. Really interesting point. I think that is very much why we exist. We think, you know, democracy goes beyond just voting every five years. And we're always interested in going and talking to people and groups and encouraging more and different kinds of people to use our sites. That is my favorite part of my job when I get out from behind my screen and go and talk to people. And so, yeah, please do tell your you know, you can do something by telling your friends and family people you know about us, and we also love to go and talk to people.
Speaker 1
28:37 – 29:24
And to plug a a different event we ran recently, we recently ran an international event in part looking at this question about how do we get the information out of these websites, especially when, you know, search is turning more to AI that makes it harder to click through to things, about sort of people's experience about using video to get information out to more places, about using WhatsApp channels to get information out to more places. So it's a it's a I I think, basically the part of the way we see their reviews, it should just be the hub of how a range of, you know, different you know, we want we want journalists, we want people who are who who have their own audiences to use our site to get the content. And we ourselves want to try and get it fair. Like, we know it's not enough just to put it on day work for you. We want to figure out how we can get this information where it's most needed. But yes. So, like, this is sort of the start of, I think, how we get the information out. They just happen all in one place and make it easy to discover.
Speaker 0
29:24 – 29:38
Absolutely. Yeah. We've been talking about building the pipes, and the pipes are now working. And, hopefully, we can then take them to normal places. Aaron asked us about, is there a function where you can follow one MP's answer and debate, but not the voting records?
Speaker 1
29:39 – 30:06
Yeah. Do you want me to save it while I have the other There is. Mhmm. So sorry. I didn't take screenshots of this, but on that, on the alerts page, there is a representative alert immediately beneath that where you can see your current representative alerts and click on or off the button about votes. So you can just see the just see their contributions to debate questions. So that is on they work for you.com/alert if you currently have alerts. And, Cindy, when you create new alerts, it should ask you if you want to recover their voting records.
Speaker 0
30:07 – 32:31
Brilliant. Thank you so much. And then, yeah, I'm still in the chat, and then I'll go to q and a if that's okay. But thank you so much everyone for your engagement. Yeah. Absolutely. Mark's point here about the the oldie worldie language of parliament makes it hard to know what an actual vote has achieved. And we're trying to do a lot more with that with TheyWorkForYou and our policy grouping so that it's clear what the actual implication of a vote going a certain way is. Over on parliamentary memberships of APPGs. Yeah. Absolutely. I know what you mean. Yeah. The the the membership, in of the, the kind of external membership. Some people, oh, sorry. On parliamentary membership. Yeah. Secretariat. Exactly. And so it's not always very clear who is in which group. We had a MP email us this week to actually say that they're not in some groups that we thought that that we would have been told that they were in and that that they were in some other ones. And so something that we're definitely monitoring. Oh, if you're interested in attending, we've had 50 people at the webinar. But, hopefully, next one, there'll be even more. So bring your friends. Brilliant. Cool. Let me now have a look at the q and a. Let me press the answer live question. Individuals and organizations can apply to APPGs as non parliamentary members. Yeah. Absolutely, Alex. Thanks for your question. Yes. It's a really interesting feature of them, actually, and it's something we'd like to look a bit more into. In some cases, the membership, the non parliamentary membership are individuals. In some cases, it's organizations that we find in these lists who are just interested in the sector. But increasingly, we're finding actually that they are there are categories of paid for membership. And so, all parliamentary groups are setting thresholds where to be this level of member, it costs £500 or this level, £1,000. There's nothing against that in the rules, but there's very little guidance on it, if that makes sense. So it's something that we're following and interested in. I'm not sure if it was, yeah, something that was envisaged or, like, historically, the situation there, but, it does seem to be a trend. And the blurring of lines, as I say, between, sort of policy and advocacy activities of groups of, like, secretariat or bodies generally and the APPGs. There seems to be, like, some overlap in cases. Alex, did you wanna come in on that one at all? Yeah. Just certainly. Like, it's it's sort of interesting because, like,
Speaker 1
32:32 – 33:48
they have they have to sort of call the member of the list. They don't have to release a schedule of what they're charging to be a member of APPG if they are, and which was sort of one things we'd like to change. Like, if you are charged to be a member of an APPG, then we'd like to know how much you're charging and kind of to who. There there is, like, the the the generous interpretation of it is it helps you spread the cost of the secretariat across an industry that if there's lots of industries involved, lots of companies involved, you can spread the cost out rather than someone sort of sorting this out behind the scenes. On the other hand, there's also been a few cases where, you know, we we've we've seen it highlighted in some of our past blog posts where, effectively, it's been fairly clearly billed. It's like, if you give us this money, you will have access to parliamentarians. And in almost exactly that language, which is, of course, you want you know, you don't want them to be more subtle than that, but they should be. Mhmm. So it's one of those things where it's like it's it's very clearly a way that, you know, the the the the value proposition is we have MPs. You have money. Let's meet in the middle, And that's not great. So, like, it is we we'd like some more transparency there to try and push towards the good version of APPGs. Because we we believe that, you know, APGs, you know, they're not just vehicles for corruption. They're also, you know, nice talking shops, and they help people understand issues and get things across. But we really wanna put pressure on to get get towards the good version rather than the, you know, the bad version.
Speaker 0
33:48 – 34:15
Absolutely. So let me have another look. Question from Catherine in the chat. Open letters. It's really interesting that we're tracking these. The impact of them in parliament is the evidence of their effectiveness over EDMs. That's right. It's it's not really effectiveness, I think, is a hard thing to track or measure there. I don't think we've done any analysis yet on number of signatures of open of, open letters versus EDMs. Yeah. Alex, were we good?
Speaker 1
34:15 – 35:17
Yeah. I think the interesting thing about them is that some of the open letters were quite big, and this is part where we started tracking them, was there's a few diff and we're we're gonna encounter some interesting use cases as we go into it, but I thought one of the interesting ones here is effectively a mechanism for Labour backbenchers to group together and write to a minister in a long form. And that's in part why the, the length of it is quite interesting because it sort of it lets people sort of do the, you know, you're doing a great job minister. We're all on board with the Labour Party program. However and that is so so it's sort of that sort of like signalling that a group of people is interested to it. And sometimes the quite significant group of people is interested to it. Like, I think one of the largest ones we had was around UK's representation UK's recognition of Palestine as estates, which of course has now happened. So that was sort of part of that internal discussion inside the party. So I think that's sort of like the initial way, like, trying to understand parliamentary dynamics is often is the governing party dynamics and open letters, which are both public, private, single, and you try to try to show deference up while also opposition is sort of a really interesting sort of mix of what that actually looks like for, you know, for people to have arguments inside the party about something.
Speaker 0
35:18 – 36:07
Yeah. Absolutely. I think also there is something about the sort of social media age of the, like, the parliamentary paper and whatever is a bit more kind of Instagrammable or whatever than just the early day motion screenshot on the the website. And so, yeah, something really interesting about that. I'm just having coming back to the q and a. A question here on building an archive of APPGs including press releases. Be sometimes it's unclear if they are genuine. Yeah. Really interesting one. I think it's hard because there are so many APPGs. There's 543 at the moment. There's been up to 900 before. But we would like to increase and, like, strengthen our connection and relationship with all participatory groups and and to be able to offer more and, insights into the work that they're doing. Yeah. Alex, did you wanna come in on that one?
Speaker 1
36:08 – 37:08
I I I think it's it's interesting because because, APG is a semi unofficial. I sort of what what to get against, like, we should gather all someone should get parliament should gather all the stuff. I mean, hopefully, they get a membership list at least. But, like, I I think it's especially useful if APPGs have a website, so they should, you know, almost always have websites because it's nice explaining what they're doing and they should list their stuff there. I know parallel parliament, has gathered a few more of the doc well, our original approach is to try and gather even more documents, but we sort of read it to op scores in terms of, you know, people not wanting to give us even the documents or that they should they were or that they should have done. So we scaled down to the membership just because we thought that was the most useful thing we could do. But I know in some cases, more information is available on the panel of parliament website who has done a bit more work around APPGs in that way. So, some of the information will be there. But, yes, essentially, I I don't think we're gonna build a big dataset around APPGs, but we're sort of very interested in them because it's sort of, like, adjacent to lots of other things, like trying to explain what's going on there. So I think the short answer to your question is no, but I get a lot of words in the meantime, so hopefully some of them are useful. But but it is very interesting.
Speaker 0
37:09 – 38:46
A question from Paul about do they have a requirement to publish accounts of their donations and sponsorships and how the money is spent? Very interesting question. The there is a in that kind of financial contribution as a benefits, section of their parliament page, any donation above £1,500 they need to declare, and you will see there. And that comes out with every register addition of the register, which comes every six weeks. There is a new, rule in the rules that came in last April about income and expenditure statements that they have to produce about all of their income and expenditure. And those there's been a bit we've been a bit confused, basically. We're trying to follow, where when they're supposed to come out. Because as it stands, I think only four or five have actually published these income and expenditure statements. But at their first EGM, so after a year of being constituted after the general election, they should be producing these income and expenditure statements. But on the on the parliamentary page, it says, have they produced one? And the rule suggests that they're supposed to have done. And so many of them say no when in my reading as a rule, they may be supposed to say yes. And so we're keeping an eye on that as more groups come to this one year period, because I think, yeah, there could be much much better transparency around the financial, ins and outs of all parts of parliamentary groups. So very much one that we're keeping an eye on, and I would say expect a blog post from us on that in the future. But, yeah, great question. Sorry. I'm not quite, doing a very good job of going through the q and a and saying what ones we've done. I think we have answered that one, about, following an MP's debate.
Speaker 1
38:48 – 39:43
Yeah. Including debates that are raised but awaiting dates, Alex. I don't know if you had any thoughts on that or if we've don't know if you can see that one in the q and a. Yeah. It's it's it's one of those things. There's there's, like, a lot of things in TheyWork for you that in principle had a big feature. There's just a lot of them. So I think we're unlikely to do that in the near future, but also remember that as something that might be helpful. It's sort of there there are lots of small areas where we could we could make things better, and it's sort of trying to pick the right route through what what's easy and what has the most value, but definitely an interesting area. It it's it's sort of like what is helpful in helping build good data at parliament, what is helpful about people helping people understand their MP specifically. And I think what we're trying to do for this update is bring in more information that is, like, helping people understand their specific MP. And, yes, this could just be a try try to get that balance right between here is some data, but also here is the context around that so that we can properly explain how parliament's working is a difficult one. So, yes, good idea. We're probably not gonna do it soon, but it's a good idea. If somebody wants to give us loads of money, that would expedite it.
Speaker 0
39:44 – 40:28
But, yeah, thank you so much for all of your questions. And, And, yeah, I thought that was a really nice framing, Alex, about this being about more, context around individual MPs. But there are so many connections in parliament between votes, MPs, things that are going on that we would love to do more with. So yeah I'll give it another minute in case anyone had any final thoughts or questions to us. Really really appreciate you coming along today. We like doing these kind of chatty catch ups and so, if you're not already on our mailing list please do. And we're also on Blue Sky and Instagram and increasingly TikTok. So you'll see my face there. And yeah we'd love to have you be more involved. Thank you so much for coming along. Really nice to see you all. Thanks, everyone.