Dena Heals
When the Eaton fire ripped through Altadena, Pasadena, in January 2025, a whole neighbourhood was virtually burned to the ground. One of the many to lose their home was Carola Secada. In this episode, we hear what happened next: the creation of Dena Heals, a mutual aid marketplace and wellness centre that has since supported over 7000 people from 1500 families as they have rebuilt their lives.
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Transcript
Welcome to How to Save Democracy, the podcast for people who love democracy but know it needs to change. My name is John Alexander. And I am Omezim.
And this time, we're going to be talking to Carola Cicada, who since January 2025, has been one of the key people involved in an initiative called Dina Heals.
Thank you for getting up so early in the morning to join us. 06:00 in the morning in Los Angeles, I believe. Can you, yeah, just start by telling us a little bit about who you are, Carla Secada, and who you were, at the beginning when 2025 began before the fires arrived?
That's no problem. That's actually easy. It's like one story bladed into two, like, to answer both questions. My name is Karolah Secada. I'm Chi Eya. I am a first generation Peruvian queer mama, part of a four bean squad. Actually, five if you count her dog sushi. First generation college student. I'm also a first generation college graduate. And, the reason who I was in 2025, our family was looking for a place where we didn't have to hide any part of our identity, and we wanted the community. We wanted the connection. We wanted the nature. We wanted the diversity. We wanted the inclusion. And after a long search in beautiful Los Angeles, California, we found Altadena, a hidden gym. And, we we purchased, our home in 2020 right after COVID, and, really, the four of us just fell in love with the community. So, that's that's who we were, a proud Altadena walking in our full, full, selves every day.
Beautiful. And and then January 2025, the Eaton fire hit Pasadena and Altadena, and I guess an awful lot changed.
It did. It did. It's so funny because we had just finished celebrating our teen daughter's birthday, January 6. So we are used to having, power outages due to fire prevention in because we lived right at the canyon. We lived Eden Canyon was our backyard, my kids' backyard. And, around 04:00 on the seventh, my wife and I decided, hey. You know, I have some extra points for hotel. Let's just go down to Old Town Pasadena. There's a power outage. We're both still working. Let's take the dog and some pajamas, and we'll be back in the morning. So by 4PM, we got to Old Town Pasadena, which is about ten minute drive from from Altadena. By 08:00, that hotel was fully packed. We were all in the news, and I we were watching the new the news coverage as if it were a movie. It, like, it did not feel real. By 06:00 the next morning, that hotel was being evacuated because the fire had gone that far. And mind you, ten minutes from Altadena, ten minute drive. And, our family of four just instinctually, the sky was red. I remember it was really smoggy. Six in the morning. We decided to drive home. We just we just got in our I had just traded in my nice electric car for a van because I'm a my kids play sports, so we got in affectionately called the bat van. And, and we drove home. There was no nobody on the road. Not one police officer, not one fire department, nothing. We drove under four of us, rolled up to our house, still in active fire. Everything was gone. I distinctly remember seeing a green flame, and I said, oh, I think that's the garage where we had some paint. So that's how we encountered that our home was lost, which very feeling, the privilege, actually. I know that it sounds painful, a family rolling up to their house still in active fire, but I know that some of my neighbors left at three in the morning with no warning, trying navigating, getting out of their neighborhood, not by not visually by following their app on their phone because it was so dark they couldn't see in front of them. So that was our our experience from the sixth to the seventh. So needless to say, we left with pajamas, overnight, bag of of toothbrushes and toothpaste, and, and that's it. We lost everything everything else.
Can you tell us a little bit more about Altadena? So it's a historically significant community. There's a with a deep heritage, lots and a great sense of community, but but the fire really tore through
as I understand it. It is it it does feel like a movie set when you drive to Altadena, especially with us, Altadena, where 17 of our neighbors perished in the fire because there was no evacuation notice to them. No evacuation notice at all? Yeah. And and the biggest, after hearing so many so many stories, the legacy black families, the multigenerational families. As a queer brown immigrant family being, we we center the needs of our most vulnerable community, and those are our black elders, our our black seniors that were, you know, in their in their seventies, in their eighties, in their gold in their golden era where they had their community, their fixed income. Right? Rental renters and owners, by the way. This is not just a homeowner story. There were a lot of seniors that were locked in in in a rent controlled area. They had their medical needs met. They had their community. They had their routine where they got their food. All that was was gone. And that's that's one of the I I grew up in Peru in a household. I was the first grandchild of the first child. So I had the privilege of growing up with my grandparents and my great grandparents under the same roof until I was 12. So, the reverence that I have for seniors is one of the reasons that drew us to Altadena, the multigenerational diverse community that was truly a hidden gem. Like, we really wanted to stay unpopular y'all. And and and now and now I think Altadinaans are on the map, unfortunately, because of this. But the magic and the beauty of Altadina was beautiful before, but, man, manifested tenfold
after the fire happened. Okay. So let's get into that. So so because a lot of, what we're told to believe about humanity, human nature, about, frankly, about poor communities and and and is that is that when disaster strikes, we expect people to look out for themselves. And there's been stories from past disasters. People are told in hurricane Katrina, for example, that there there was looting and all of this kind of thing. But that's not what happens, and that's not what happened in Altadena.
Let's start, like, I'll go, like, individually and then go map it to a community. So I am part of the Revolve Impact team. We're a social impact creative agency. Right? And, we were a team of ten, and two of us were impacted, and I was one of them one of the people on the team. And so my beautiful team said, Corolla, take do what you need to do. Take care of what do you need. That was the first question. No questions asked. Not like you have some t PTO, take some vacation time, nothing. It was like no questions asked, whatever your family needs. So I took a I took a couple of weeks, just to be with my family and process this shock. A couple of weeks later, I told my team, okay. I'm ready. Being an organizer and a nonprofit leader in a previous lifetime. We're very mission driven folks. So almost to the point of the expense of our wellness and bodies because we just go go go service. Right? So that was my mode. So after a couple of weeks, my team says, hey. Let's meet at this this little, strip mall, called the Paseo in Old Town Pasadena. And I remember telling, one of our founders, Mike, I said, why are we at the Paseo? That place has been dead since COVID. So I I said, okay. Well, let's meet there. And I walk into this beautiful space, that has it had, chairs in a circle already. Well, what's going on here? And and our team's like, this is our new project. It's Diva Hills. We came together with with a few of our partners, the city of Pasadena, the Paseo team, Tepito Coffee, which represented small business in the community, Homeboy Industries, AltaMed, to provide immediate medical, service needs. And my team said, this is our mutual aid project, Digna Hills, and this is what we're going to be doing. And I was just overwhelmed to say the least. Overwhelmed to be to be able to hold that space, for my community while also being held. Beautifully put. I think that's the magic of Altadena. You can hold people while being held and in such a caring, compassionate way. My kids lost their school, so we had to deal with that. As a parent, first on the list is your kids. And so my wife and I were pouring everything we had, all of our energy physically, emotionally, and spiritually into our kids. And then the rest, I was fortunate enough to be held myself through the work.
It feels like there was an understanding of the necessity of healing together while the reflects as a community organizer, and I also identified this in my work as a social entrepreneur and activist, to just do. Do, do, do. Like, action oriented. Let's save people. Let's build something. Let's recreate, and just be in that mode of this almost a sort of coping mechanism as well. And not to think about what we are feeling, but put that energy into doing something. But then the your colleague said, no. Let's stop. Sit and be together because the moment needs it, deserves it. And it's all part of the doing, I guess. But it's not exactly doing. It's something new.
Yes. Absolutely. It's it's it's a way to be it feels like a it's a continuous cycle. Like, you're giving, you're being given. You give, and you're being given. And I think that is what's happening in in Altadena. It was, you know, so so much sometimes against our own will because we're just so used to giving. But as we know, especially our leaders of colors in organizing communities are getting burned out, tired, sick. I myself am a breast cancer survivor. And when I got diagnosed, I was an executive director serving 2,000 families a day in Long Beach, California. And I think that it I'm in a place, thankfully, because of my community, my spiritual community, my spiritual belief system, and the resources that I have. And I I'd like to name that that is a privilege in itself, was able to process in a healthy way. And if it wasn't for for those cancer cells, I don't think I would have been able to pause and reflect and really, see the need the need that we just can't give. We also have to receive, and especially for a first generation immigrant queer woman, the layers of oppression that I have to constantly work through as I navigate my own healing, man, leaders don't have they put that at the bottom of the list.
Right? I wanna zoom in a little bit on on Dina Hills, and and I've heard it described in that first period as a as a mutual aid marketplace. Can you help us understand a little bit more of what was going on in those first few weeks in in that space? Help us, like,
be there. Oh my gosh. So right away, people didn't have their clothing and basic needs. Right? So we, as a company, Revolve Impact, we leverage of our partners. And, originally, it was two spots at that mall. It was a marketplace and a wellness center. And, of course, immediate needs at that moment, like I said, we're clothing. So we had donations from our partners, and we had, like, this amazing, amazing team of volunteers that had also been working across the way from this spot was the convention center where Red Cross had established their hub where there were hundreds of beds, of people. So this volunteer team called Kolibri Collective were there first, and then we connected and we said, oh my gosh. We would love to run this because this is they were gonna do it in a neighbor on an on a neighborhood that was a twenty minute drive from us. It it was, the only place I could get. So now being especially right across from that reds the Red Cross Center hub, and we leveraged all of our, our small business partners to get the word out, and, we build the wellness center. And as we got proximate to people, we we we noticed things, and we were able to pivot. We're really good at change management, as a team. Right? So we said, okay. Let's just have, you know, a store and have people come. And then we were learning that these donation centers, and I experienced this myself, they say, okay. You have the window from ten to eleven where you can come and get stuff. And it was me and maybe 50 other people. So you go in in that window, and then you feel like you're fighting with your neighbor for a T shirt. So then we said, this is not dignified. So then say, let's make it an appointment based. So then as a family, you would go, my name is John. We're a family of five. These are our sizes, and and we have so then you, John, get an appointment with your family where you it's only two families in the store at a time. You get welcome with some Teppito coffee. Teppito provided some pastries and coffee. We got trained because we realized we couldn't ask people how are you. That was a loaded question at that time. So we had a therapist come and train our team in just simple interactions like that to make people feel safe. So we learned that we would say thank you for being here. I'm here to help you. Let's start. So each family would get a volunteer, and they would go through the store to fulfill the list, get a brand new suitcase because they didn't have storage, and that's that's how we were able to hold the dignity of the folks. So we would pivot. At the very beginning, we weren't asking for any documents and proof of residence because nobody had their documents. Like, little things like that, and we pivot, and we constantly had to, fill and meet and move with the needs of the community. Through the marketplace, we ended up serving 1,500 families. Wow. And, and then in June of last year, the needs changed. Nobody needed new clothes anymore. Everybody needed new appliances, a set of eating utensils, a blender, an air fryer. So then we decided to sunset the marketplace, but the need for wellness services increased. And so we decided to keep and double up on this, services we offered at the wellness center, and that it's still going on.
And and just to be clear here that this is not, this is not a government operation. This isn't insurance companies paying for stuff. This is this is local organizations, local people coming together to help one another. That's right? Yep. It was neighbors helping neighbors straight up and
leveraging our own connections. So one of the volunteers is was actually, Shilpa Shah, one of the cofounders of a retail brand called Cuyana. She she leveraged all all her resources to continue to get more close. As Revolve Impact through our vertical Athletes for Impact, we leverage Nike our relationship with Nike, and they came forward. Amazon came forward with ridiculous amounts of palettes that and so then we would call our partner Homeboy Industry where their participants would come and help us, like, move all this stuff. Right? And Tebito Coffee would offer and feed us and give us good coffee while we were doing all this. So it was really I'll I keep using the analogy fellowship of the rings. Tell I'm a nerd. Right? Like, we figured out that, okay, these are the alts, and this is their gift, and this is how they're gonna come. These are the dwarfs. This is their gift, and this is gonna come. There were no duplication of efforts. It was truly an organized fellowship where everybody's, no hierarchy. Everybody was a decision maker. Everybody was, was implementing. Everybody was assessing, and and that's that's just how we moved organically.
Do you feel that was present before the fires, or was it something that spontaneously kind of emerged with the the need the needs of the community after?
I think both. I think that as a company, that's how we move to we move. Right? The the those are our values. And I and sometimes in this work, especially with the current climate of that we find our country in, we thought we were in a bubble. Right? But it was just so As as in you thought you were the only people who worked like that? We you know, I've been in a a nonprofit for over twenty years in in the workforce. And when I found my team, I thought it was really unique. Yes. There's similarities to another teams, but, like, just the speed of trust that that we we move within our company, it's really fast and makes things very easy for for us. But we have really underestimated the power of our friendships and the way that we moved and really, the mutual respect that we have in the community. So it was present before, to answer your question, but I don't think that we were that aware of it. In the research for my book Citizens, I I came across,
a wonderful book called A Paradise Built in Hell by re Rebecca Solnit. I don't know if either of you have come across this. So what Solnit did for this book is she went back through, disasters through history. And what she found is that pretty much every time disaster hits, this to some I mean, I'm not saying everywhere is Altadena. I think you guys are quite special. But but pretty much everywhere through history, the the humans do respond to crisis not by tearing each other apart, but by by an deep instinct to help one another. And what she finds is actually that there's a there's a there's an initial phase of that. And then and then often when the point where it gets sort of quashed a bit is is what she calls elite panic, when there's a sort of sense that actually people are organizing and finding solutions to their own challenges. And the and the and the systems kind of reassert themselves because they feel like they're being, superseded. And and this is it's been a key inspiration for some of the work I've been doing because I think the the opportunity when I think back to when COVID first hit and actually across the world, I believe, there were sort of street level WhatsApp groups and and mutual aid groups kind of springing up everywhere. And it was only and and and that energy could have been sort of supported and and and enabled rather than rather than squashed, I think. One of the stories we've come across, Corolla, in our, in our podcast, we interviewed Audrey Tang who is, among parts of her journey, became the digital minister in Taiwan and was part of Taiwan's COVID response, where actually they tried to come in behind that energy. And they they they set challenge prizes for the tech community to create apps that would track face mask availability in case outbreaks. And they even set up a phone line where anyone could ring in with ideas for how the country's response could be better. So that they sort of leaned into this idea that people want to help and want to support one another. And I guess I'm just, it feels like am I right in saying you're you're you're still continuing, still without, kind of, it sounds like the state is largely absent, and and insurance companies still not leaning in and you'll continue anyway. And I guess that I'm imagining, like, what would be possible if
if government came in behind those efforts run rather than trying to sort of come in and fix it? Oh my gosh. I mean, there's so many. I feel like our community has set up the entryway and opened the door, right, like, for our our public officials to come in and be in partnership with us. One very, like, top of mind example and even easy example, simple example, is the soil. Right? As a breast cancer survivor, my you know, everybody has with this fire, like, different needs and different fears and different worries, if you will. Right? For us for me personally was the toxicity of the soil. Right? We have some legacy contaminants, that were ign like, ignited by and and came alive through the fire, not to mention, other contaminants. Right? So and then, and then the rains so you can you get your lot clean. And then if you're on a hill, the rains come, and all of it again, you have to get that soil reassessed one more time. Construction goes up or cleanup, then you have to get the soil reassessed. So I was worried. I said, I I don't how can I come back to my beloved Altadena when my kids are going to be playing in toxic soil? And nobody was talking about the land. Nobody. I I think that is still a big gap in in our in our community. So, this this group of of folks of color, farmers, scientists, local, they they, and a couple of organizations created the Dina soil project where they go lot by lot. They connect with volunteer organizations. So, and come and clean up the lot, and they give three inches of this beautiful compost and then three inches of this mulch of mushrooms that really clean the soil themselves naturally. So, for example, at my lot, there was 40 people. They it was a potluck. There was music. There was a indigenous person that did ceremony to bless the land. And we did that twice, and my soil was remediated after three after three tests. Wow. And, that that's that's where I'm just sometimes trying to continue to regulate myself to know, like, public officials are also human. And I I I don't, you know, I don't wanna put that that energy of of anger and rage strictly on one person. Right? But I figured, like, oh, that is such an easy economical budget friendly way to clean the soil and be in good relationship with the land and also our indigenous partners and come together. So that's one of the things that, I'm just like, why isn't this happening?
So there's so many opportunities for this to be a a healing process or actually a relationship between citizen and state as well. And land. Right? In Altadena, we are very, very big on acknowledging and honoring the legacy
of the land past, present, and future. So, exactly. Exactly. There's a lot of opportunities. The opportunities that that have happened are, with with big companies and big names, and they wanna put their name on our park and, but still, we have not seen the, if that test if those if that baseball field has been fully remediated, if you will. Right? So
And so tell us a bit more now about so eighteen months well, fifth seventeen months on, from the fires. Are you are you back in Altadena? Have you moved back, or are you you're still living outside?
No. We're still in, Eagle Rock, which is about fifteen minutes from Altadena. So we wanted to stay local. We do want to rebuild. And to be, you know, on in in all honesty, it was after, like, twelve month thirteenth or fourteenth where I actually felt grounded enough to be able to make decisions such as architects, contractors, making sure insurance money came in. I was not my nervous system was was shot at 16. I I was operating in heels in fight or flight mode, to be quite honest. Yeah. So my family itself, we are a part of the lawsuit. We decided to really center our mental wellness first, get grounded. And then and and now we're starting to talk to architects. And and, again, I wanna name that privilege because that is a that is a privilege that we that we have two incomes in this in this family, and we're able to pay our rent and our mortgage right now. I don't know how long we're gonna be able to do that, but for now for now, we can. And and Dina Heals continues as the as the wellness center in in that, guys? It does. It's still going on. We have amazing partnerships with the David Lynch Foundation who is still offering free meditation courses to our community in Spanish and English. We have partners like Hands in the Soil that that facilitate men's circles every other weekend. Those are the men's circles, have been growing in a way where I've never seen men show up like that in my life to to talk to talk. Right? And, and the women's circles, I was facilitating at the very beginning. And then throughout the year, I could not hold space to be a participant and a facilitator. We decided to pause, and now they're rubbing, back up again with, with a beautiful, somatic facilitator for those. So now every Thursday, there's a circle. Yoga every Saturday. And then we have practitioners coming in doing songwriting classes for healing, drumming for healing, and and another that's on public facing. But internally, we decided, to take care of the caregivers. So for all, the grassroots organizations, we, invite them to come, their staff and their main volunteers, and we just do three hour retreats. They get a massage. We do incense making. We get in circle. We share a meal. We dance. And at least, it's something that we're because secondary trauma is is still very much a priority for the caregivers.
So this this is a story of of in the context of disaster, neighbors helping neighbors, but for a long time, like, committing, and that is still the vibe. Yep. Oh, it's still it's still the vibe. It is still
I I think there is a new level now of, transactions that are new. Right? We are now dealing with, for example, for the homeowners that want to rebuild, which contractor do we trust? Are they are they, like, you know, quoting me outrageously? Are they trustworthy? We've heard horrible stories where even, people have paid a deposit to their contractor, and then the contractor calls ICE on their own workers, and then they disappear. Those are the latest stories that are happening. So I think, like, it's just the the different level of the recovery, if you will. We're at a place where there's it's very transactional now, and people need a lot of support. And so that's why Dina Hills, I think, we are always like, okay. So you core. You're helping people with, with contractor assessment and and what to look for and what to ask, that's a big decision. Let Dean the Hills help those folks in terms of grounding their nervous system so that they can think clearly and make that decision. So that's why I talk about, like, the fellowship. Right? Like, yes. This is great transactionally, but emotionally and physically, and psychologically, are they okay to be able to make that decision decision? So the the relationships are the foundations for the transaction.
Exactly. I mean, I find this story just deeply inspiring. I think that the this idea of and what I want to argue from, I guess, is that in times of crisis, actually, people want to be what I would call citizens rather than consumers. They want to collaborate and work together and find ways through together and want to contribute. A lot of what we've heard from in the podcast today is stories of when sort of government systems change and open up. And this is in a way a story of, like, what what that what that opening up can come behind. Like, what what is in human what is in humanity and in communities that can be supported.
No. What what I'm hearing is really inspiring. And at the same time, I'm wondering how much this is we can make it like a universal truth. I we hear a lot the crisis. In times of crisis, it's the worst of people that we see. But here, it's really the story of the it's it's really the best of people. And I'm wondering how much this depends on the people of the community affected. And in your story, it's amazing how much beauty is in there, but also awareness and consciousness of what needs to be done that is not important from somewhere else, but it's really from you and your knowledge and and everything you inherited and adapting to the needs of the community and and adopting a very respectful approach to kind of not force anything on anyone, but just be there and follow the movement, the the where where the community is heading and being there and holding each moment to really support that transition, whether from immediate needs of clothing, basic, yeah, needs to just dress and then to to the then the appliances and then the emotional that, support that was there from the beginning. But then now it becomes the most important support that you're bringing. And I I find this fascinating, and I'm wondering, yeah, what is replicable? You've you have such an incredible amount of expertise and knowledge of human, beings now. They it it feels like that's the ideal disaster response. How can other communities be supported in that way where they don't turn against each other? Because while you were speaking, John, about the COVID the the first moments of the COVID, pandemic, I had these images in The US where people were hoarding, looting supermarkets to get the toilet paper. And that like, and I was wondering watching that from Tunisia, why toilet paper? What what's happening? And they were fighting against you started to get the toilet paper. So so sometimes also some images really stay in our consciousness, and this goes against, that crisis bring the best of humanity. But this is what I would have loved to see more on the media and what Yeah. Sticks with me, like, after LA Fires.
Yeah. Yeah. And, yeah, the media also, clamped the Palisades fire and the Altadena fire together, and they're two drastically different communities, number one. But I I I think that, we too I think this might be a long, like, this curiosity that you have on the scene of what can be replicable. And I I really think that I feel like I feel like I'm blessed, but I feel like, no. No. This can actually be a model. Right? Like, this is just, like, not, like, divine intervention that gave me all these all these resources. I really think that is at at Deeply Hills, we said, like, okay. What is our what is our belief? What's our highest belief that we're gonna be operating with, making decisions with, creating operational systems with, and what is the culture, of the DNA of being a heels. And, I am a certified liberatory coach, so I bring that lens of looking at everything, in an anti oppression lens, like, really naming the systems that are that we not name outside of traditional western, like, trauma, research. Right? Trauma informed research. So, I think that we really started with we believe that everybody has the medicine they need within. Right? Like, we're not really eliminating any sort of hierarchical savior. Like, we're not here to offer, like, you know, to to save you from this spot. We're here to be shoulder to shoulder and witness you moving through this at your choice, at your pace. And and then and then also pausing, getting educated from trauma informed experts on, like, basic questions, like thank you for being here as opposed to how are you. Yep. Like, it it starts very little, but it starts with that belief that everybody has it within themselves, and we're just here to guide. We're not here to heal. We're not here to fix. We're not here to save. We're here to really walk together. And and I think that allows us to be more curious. So when folks come in, there's a lot of external prices going on, especially the community. We had ice rates in Pasadena in the middle of all this. Right? So to get curious, to pause it off, to get curious and say, like, this person is angry right now. Is it at me? Is it the situation? What do we need to do? And to just have that humanity and meet people where they're at, educate ourselves of the external factors, and, also, again, going back to the highest belief that everybody has the wisdom within, and we're just here to friendly reminders or work shoulder to shoulder.
What we know, we don't know much about what's coming in the next ten years of our world. Right? We it's it's gonna be a crazy ride. Yeah. Probably, if we know anything, it's that there will be more more crises, more disasters, more more trauma, and and how we deal with that, whether we can get governments to sort of reorient and and come into the role they need or whether it's just down to citizens and communities to respond as best they can. I think Dina Hills is a hugely inspiring example.
I think both can happen. Right? Communities can do that, and, also, government can also through through our experience, folks can learn that I I learned this from actually meeting Brian Stevenson a few years ago, is that, the secret ingredient in this North Star of people having the medicine within, and we're just here to, you know, walk together, is proximity. It's just really get proximate. And I really when I met him and had that conversation is what what does that really mean? Right? And it actually means being physically proximate to folks. It's that simple. In this digital area, it's amazing. It's an amazing tool that we have that we can able to connect like this. It's beautiful. I I can talk to my. Right? Like, it's beautiful. But at the same time, it does not meet, like, the human to human connection to really know the needs of folks. I think I think we're not proximate enough to each other, And I think that can change, and it's something that's easy that we can change right now.
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