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And on this episode of Municipal Equation, the podcast about cities and towns in the face of change, we're talking about spending, specifically with the money that's coming down to cities and towns across North Carolina and across the country from the federal legislation known as the American Rescue Plan. All in all, for North Carolina, the federal government, through this legislation, is distributing $1,300,000,000 to North Carolina cities and towns. And this is really important, like a once in a generation opportunity in terms of money like this coming down from the federal government directly to cities and towns. Since March 2020, cities and towns across North Carolina have dealt with a financial crisis caused by no action of their own, but rather by a deadly global pandemic. Health measures, lockdowns, and inability to gather, these consequences of COVID nineteen produced an economic fallout that has impacted all areas of our state. As health precautions and rising unemployment hindered normal economic activity, less money changed hands, impacting local government revenues. This revenue we're talking about is not excess. It's critical and used to provide the key public services that our residents rely on. Public safety, infrastructure, water, and more. As our citizens struggled through the pandemic, our municipalities suffered as a result. And as our municipalities suffered, our citizens were harmed even more. This issue has been the top priority for the League of Municipalities. Led by local leaders across the state, we held regular educational sessions on how to adjust and persevere through the pandemic. Resources and updates were shared with members on a weekly, sometimes daily basis. And with a grassroots effort, we advocated to both state and federal leaders on the need for assistance. Our mayors wrote op eds, our council members contacted policy makers, and our league as a whole made abundantly clear the significant damage that would be done to our citizens and our state if assistance was not provided. Thankfully, our voices were heard. With the passage of the American Rescue Plan on 03/11/2021, direct assistance was programmed for cities and towns for the first time since the onset of COVID nineteen. On this episode, we detail what that means and what this assistive money can be used for, how to spend it. Before we kick it over to our experts, I have to update you on the change in rules that took place while this episode was in production. The US Department of Treasury just issued a final rule that allows a lot more flexibility in project spending with this money, essentially making it all easier to pursue. Treasury has told us that there will be a standard allowance for revenue loss up to $10,000,000. So for most municipalities in North Carolina, that means pretty much the entirety of their ARP distribution can be used under the most flexible spending category, which is revenue loss. And that opens up all kinds of possibilities for how this money can be spent, which translates to more confidence when investing this money in things like infrastructure, which would be ideal. Could you remind us how much money is coming down from this legislation to North Carolina cities and towns? For cities and towns in North Carolina, it's gonna be over $1,300,000,000 This is Chris Nida. He's the director of municipal research and strategic initiatives at the League. The federal ARP legislation was $350,000,000,000 nationwide for states, counties, and cities, and it's $9,000,000,000 in North Carolina. So almost 5 and a half billion of that is going to the state of North Carolina, over 2,000,000,000 for counties, and then 1,300,000,000 for for cities, which is, I mean, it's really an unprecedented amount, certainly in my thirteen plus years at the league. And I think stretching back beyond that of direct federal funds going to municipalities in North Carolina. So it's not, an exaggeration to say that this is, you know, as we've been saying it, a once in a generation opportunity when it comes to finances, projects, things that we could get done. How can money like this be spent according to, the guidelines that we have? Yeah. We can talk about this more in a minute. You know, there's there's certain things that, just came down within the last week or so that make the money more flexible on how it can be spent. But it does have to be spent in accordance with treasury guidance, and they laid out a a few different categories of areas where where the funds can be spent. As a general principle, the goal of the funds is to help governments respond to the pandemic and put them in a position to thrive coming out of the pandemic. So Mhmm. You know, pandemic related expenditures types of expenditures that in North Carolina tend to be more county functions, you know, public health clinics, vaccine clinics, those sorts of things. There are provisions for providing employees premium pay to employees that worked in person during pandemic and took that risk of person to person contact, you know, since March 2020. Mhmm. And there are provisions for infrastructure as well. You know, broadband infrastructure, which is a tremendous need, but our state limitations in North Carolina to how municipalities can do that, but water and sewer infrastructure as well. And, you know, I think that's the area that, at least in the initial rules, was going to give the most flexibility to municipalities, and it's an area of such tremendous need that has been existed for North Carolina cities and towns since before the pandemic. And so we at the league and others around the state have really been encouraging municipalities to take a look at using these funds for for eligible water and sewer projects as a way to address some of those needs that have existed for some time now and, you know, now there's funding to to do that. So there are a lot of ways that cities and towns can spend their allocations from the American Rescue Plan. We at the League of Municipalities offer the recommendation of investments to bring utilities up to where they need to be. It's the opportunity to create legacies of lasting positives within our communities, which is great for the state overall, and there is a special need for it. Here's Scott Mooneyham. He's the director of political communication and coordination at the league. A few years ago, the state issued a report where they estimated there were, if I remember the figure correctly, $2,627,000,000,000 in water and sewer infrastructure needs out there in the state. I mean, obviously that's a huge figure. Beyond that, what we know based on both the state division of water infrastructure overviews and and based on our own knowledge as as an organization representing cities is that there are a lot of towns out there that are struggling with deferred maintenance needs with their water and sewer system as they've lost population Yeah. As some of them have lost jobs. They've they've been left with water and sewer systems that really do not receive the same amount of revenue, because there's not the same number and size of rate payers. There are numerous examples of federally supported infrastructure projects yielding transformational changes to our municipalities. Here's an example. The town of Bethel in Pitt County, North Carolina, shout out to mayor Gloria Steen Brown. Since 2017, Bethel has been on a path to get out of the water and sewer business by working on a regionalization project with the larger city of Greenville. So regionalizing their utilities, and it couldn't have happened without significant outside funding. So in 2017, the town gets $50,000 from the state to study the feasibility of regionalization. And then in 2020, the town receives various grants totaling $4,500,000 to begin the actual infrastructure work. And that outside investment is important because it allowed the town to catch up on deferred maintenance and other tasks that would ensure that its partner municipality in Greenville and its ratepayers wouldn't assume that cost. So this is work that includes point repairs of sewer lines, replacement of some water lines, changes intended to reduce water infiltration, and possible relocation of a pump station to a less flood prone area. For Bethel and its residents, the result may not only be a more sustainable system moving forward, but also eventual cheaper water and sewer rates. And this could help attract more residents and businesses in the future. We know this is a vital opportunity to do a lot of that catch up and bring systems up to speed as much as possible, but we're gonna continue to need those partnerships with the state and the federal government to to keep these systems healthy and viable moving forward as well. Like I said, there's sort of more flexibility with this ruling that we've had in the last week or so. But even, you know, from the beginning, the treasury has said that these local ARP funds can be spent on projects that align with eligibility for the federal, clean water and drinking water state revolving funds. And, really, that gives municipalities and local governments a wide range of eligible utility. They can do, you know, replacing lines, stormwater projects, you know, facilities, plant refurbishments, all kinds of things that we know is are very needed locally. It provides these local funds, you know, can be spent for that. And, you know, there's we mentioned the state ARP funds. The state has chosen to spend a good portion of its ARP funds on utility expenditures as well. So there's also opportunities for, you know, pooling money, kind of leveraging your local money to partner it with money coming in from the state. We think there's a lot of opportunity for regional collaboration and working with neighboring cities and towns, working with counties to think big picture as well about not just, you know, taking a look at the existing lines, but what really are the utility needs of the community, and there are any economies of scale that could be achieved by working with neighboring governments and and pooling money together to to really think big on what the future of a lot of these utility systems are. So about $26,000,000,000 needed to adequately upgrade water and sewer systems in North Carolina over twenty years, and that's according to a 2017 study by the state of North Carolina. It's a big deal when you consider that just 8% of local water and sewer needs are met through outside funding sources. Meanwhile, 89% of the state's population is served by the local government run water systems in North Carolina. Scott Mooneyham earlier mentioned distressed utilities that may not have the same resources in terms of ratepayers. You know, small towns sometimes lose population, and there's a history of that here. When we, for example, think of the small towns whose primary employers in, say, manufacturing shut down and went overseas, that's something a lot of towns have had to deal with. Lawmakers here in 2020 set up something called the Viable Utility Fund, meant to identify distressed systems, which some of these towns in these scenarios have found themselves in, and work towards solutions that could be sustained over time. But the money programmed for the Fund, of course, doesn't measure to the overall need. And the State's primary programs to provide funding for local water and sewer system investments, being the Clean Water State Revolving Fund and the Drinking Water State Revolving Fund, primarily rely on zero interest loans to our municipalities rather than grants. You know, we know with inflation and other factors that the cost of running a utility goes up and up every year, and there are certain fixed costs when you have a utility that you you have to keep up with. And a lot of these systems were built with federal grants back in the the twentieth century, and federal and state money available for those types of upgrades has really not been available, up until now with the American Rescue Plan. And so, you know, with 1,300,000,000.0 going into city governments around the state, every single city could spend every all of its allocation on utility needs and really wouldn't come close to matching that 20 to $26,000,000,000 that's been estimated. Given a lot of the infrastructure needs in North Carolina, it it's really clear that with this kind of one time money that is coming, really there's likely to be a once in a generation opportunity. There is the opportunity to create some transformational investments for communities. I think it's, again, it's important to recognize that this may represent a once in a generation opportunity that people think about how they might spend this monies in the most creative ways that generate economic opportunities for decades ahead, that improve quality of life for decades ahead. And so because we know there are these infrastructure challenges out there related to water and sewer systems, related to creating resiliency in communities when we've had, you know, all these storms. And at the same time that we've seen, you know, thirty, forty years of decline in in rural manufacturing, which has created problems economically. So in that regard, how do you then get the best bang for the buck while maybe infrastructure investment might not be appropriate for every community, it's certainly a way to accomplish that goal if you can, again, figure out creative ways to do that. Scott Mooneyham points out that since the passage of the federal American Rescue Plan money, there's been the big federal infrastructure bill as well that's also passed. And that brings more money, but a lot of it will be based on competitive grant programs. It's also worth noting that the state received American Rescue Plan money, and some of it is going into programs that will flow to cities and towns. But again, some of it will be on a competitive basis. So in that regard, are there ways that communities can look to leverage that initial direct American Rescue Plan Act appropriation to their city or town to leverage it in a way that they can utilize it with these other either these other monies that are gonna come directly to them or through state programs to them or through a competitive process. And then I think the other creative part of that is to look at, are there opportunities to pool money? Yeah. Again, going back to that term I use creative, are there creative ways that people can use that money to leverage it in those ways in a in a broader fashion or pull people in, you know, like local governments in together to figure out ways to really, you know, I mean, the bottom line is really figure out ways to improve the quality of life for the residents. There are timelines associated with the expenditures of these funds as well. Funds must be obligated by the end of calendar year 2024 and spent by the end of calendar year 2026. But we know that when you're thinking about large capital projects and large utility projects that require permitting and engineering and all those sorts of things, and as there are so many funds coming into the state and local governments for infrastructure projects, there's gonna be competition for contractors and all of these other services that go along with these projects. You know, it's a good reason to to move quickly. You have an extended runway for these funds. They don't have to fully be spent until the end of the year 2026. But if you're thinking about using them for utilities or other large infrastructure projects, it's a good idea to to think about that now and start the planning process of moving forward now because, from everybody that we've talked to that's involved with utility projects, we know that 2026 will will will come up on you faster than you think. So, there's time, but but there's no better time to to get started than right now. Please check out our special report on this very topic. It's called the American Rescue Plan and Local Infrastructure, how federal ARP dollars can address local water, sewer, and other infrastructure needs. That's the title of the report. It's easy to find. Just go to our special website, arp.nclm.0rg, and click on the resources and updates drop down menu. You'll see it there. On the same website, arp.nclm.0rg, you can also find updates, and there's a blog. There's answers to frequently asked questions, and so on. We hope this helps your municipality navigate the American Rescue Plan and wise ways to spend your distribution. The report also has case studies for examples. Thanks Thanks for listening to Municipal Equation. This is the podcast of the North Carolina League of Municipalities online at nclm.org. We are a member driven organization representing the interests of cities and towns in the state. Through their collective efforts, League member cities and towns better serve their residents and improve quality of life. For more than one hundred years, the League has been one voice for cities and towns working for a better North Carolina. We'll be back with more episodes of Municipal Equation. Stay tuned. And if you have an idea you'd like to suggest, maybe there's an interesting project coming out of your town. Tell me about it. Send an email to bbrown@nclm.org. And that will go directly to me. Again, bbrown@nclm.org. And thank you again for listening. 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Hey folks, it's Ben Brown from the North Carolina League of Municipalities. And on this episode of Municipal Equation, the podcast about cities and towns in the face of change, we're talking about spending, specifically with the money that's coming down to cities and towns across North Carolina and across the country from the federal legislation known as the American Rescue Plan. All in all, for North Carolina, the federal government, through this legislation, is distributing $1,300,000,000 to North Carolina cities and towns. And this is really important, like a once in a generation opportunity in terms of money like this coming down from the federal government directly to cities and towns.\n\nSince March 2020, cities and towns across North Carolina have dealt with a financial crisis caused by no action of their own, but rather by a deadly global pandemic. Health measures, lockdowns, and inability to gather, these consequences of COVID nineteen produced an economic fallout that has impacted all areas of our state. As health precautions and rising unemployment hindered normal economic activity, less money changed hands, impacting local government revenues. This revenue we're talking about is not excess. It's critical and used to provide the key public services that our residents rely on.\n\nPublic safety, infrastructure, water, and more. As our citizens struggled through the pandemic, our municipalities suffered as a result. And as our municipalities suffered, our citizens were harmed even more. This issue has been the top priority for the League of Municipalities. Led by local leaders across the state, we held regular educational sessions on how to adjust and persevere through the pandemic.\n\nResources and updates were shared with members on a weekly, sometimes daily basis. And with a grassroots effort, we advocated to both state and federal leaders on the need for assistance. Our mayors wrote op eds, our council members contacted policy makers, and our league as a whole made abundantly clear the significant damage that would be done to our citizens and our state if assistance was not provided. Thankfully, our voices were heard. With the passage of the American Rescue Plan on 03/11/2021, direct assistance was programmed for cities and towns for the first time since the onset of COVID nineteen.\n\nOn this episode, we detail what that means and what this assistive money can be used for, how to spend it. Before we kick it over to our experts, I have to update you on the change in rules that took place while this episode was in production. The US Department of Treasury just issued a final rule that allows a lot more flexibility in project spending with this money, essentially making it all easier to pursue. Treasury has told us that there will be a standard allowance for revenue loss up to $10,000,000. So for most municipalities in North Carolina, that means pretty much the entirety of their ARP distribution can be used under the most flexible spending category, which is revenue loss.\n\nAnd that opens up all kinds of possibilities for how this money can be spent, which translates to more confidence when investing this money in things like infrastructure, which would be ideal. Could you remind us how much money is coming down from this legislation to North Carolina cities and towns?\n\nSpeaker 1: For cities and towns in North Carolina, it's gonna be over $1,300,000,000\n\nSpeaker 0: This is Chris Nida. He's the director of municipal research and strategic initiatives at the League.\n\nSpeaker 1: The federal ARP legislation was $350,000,000,000 nationwide for states, counties, and cities, and it's $9,000,000,000 in North Carolina. So almost 5 and a half billion of that is going to the state of North Carolina, over 2,000,000,000 for counties, and then 1,300,000,000 for for cities, which is, I mean, it's really an unprecedented amount, certainly in my thirteen plus years at the league. And I think stretching back beyond that of direct federal funds going to municipalities in North Carolina.\n\nSpeaker 0: So it's not, an exaggeration to say that this is, you know, as we've been saying it, a once in a generation opportunity when it comes to finances, projects, things that we could get done. How can money like this be spent according to, the guidelines that we have?\n\nSpeaker 1: Yeah. We can talk about this more in a minute. You know, there's there's certain things that, just came down within the last week or so that make the money more flexible on how it can be spent. But it does have to be spent in accordance with treasury guidance, and they laid out a a few different categories of areas where where the funds can be spent. As a general principle, the goal of the funds is to help governments respond to the pandemic and put them in a position to thrive coming out of the pandemic.\n\nSo Mhmm.\n\nSpeaker 2: You\n\nSpeaker 1: know, pandemic related expenditures types of expenditures that in North Carolina tend to be more county functions, you know, public health clinics, vaccine clinics, those sorts of things. There are provisions for providing employees premium pay to employees that worked in person during pandemic and took that risk of person to person contact, you know, since March 2020. Mhmm. And there are provisions for infrastructure as well. You know, broadband infrastructure, which is a tremendous need, but our state limitations in North Carolina to how municipalities can do that, but water and sewer infrastructure as well.\n\nAnd, you know, I think that's the area that, at least in the initial rules, was going to give the most flexibility to municipalities, and it's an area of such tremendous need that has been existed for North Carolina cities and towns since before the pandemic. And so we at the league and others around the state have really been encouraging municipalities to take a look at using these funds for for eligible water and sewer projects as a way to address some of those needs that have existed for some time now and, you know, now there's funding to to do that.\n\nSpeaker 0: So there are a lot of ways that cities and towns can spend their allocations from the American Rescue Plan. We at the League of Municipalities offer the recommendation of investments to bring utilities up to where they need to be. It's the opportunity to create legacies of lasting positives within our communities, which is great for the state overall, and there is a special need for it. Here's Scott Mooneyham. He's the director of political communication and coordination at the league.\n\nSpeaker 2: A few years ago, the state issued a report where they estimated there were, if I remember the figure correctly, $2,627,000,000,000 in water and sewer infrastructure needs out there in the state. I mean, obviously that's a huge figure. Beyond that, what we know based on both the state division of water infrastructure overviews and and based on our own knowledge as as an organization representing cities is that there are a lot of towns out there that are struggling with deferred maintenance needs with their water and sewer system as they've lost population Yeah. As some of them have lost jobs. They've they've been left with water and sewer systems that really do not receive the same amount of revenue, because there's not the same number and size of rate payers.\n\nSpeaker 0: There are numerous examples of federally supported infrastructure projects yielding transformational changes to our municipalities. Here's an example. The town of Bethel in Pitt County, North Carolina, shout out to mayor Gloria Steen Brown. Since 2017, Bethel has been on a path to get out of the water and sewer business by working on a regionalization project with the larger city of Greenville. So regionalizing their utilities, and it couldn't have happened without significant outside funding.\n\nSo in 2017, the town gets $50,000 from the state to study the feasibility of regionalization. And then in 2020, the town receives various grants totaling $4,500,000 to begin the actual infrastructure work. And that outside investment is important because it allowed the town to catch up on deferred maintenance and other tasks that would ensure that its partner municipality in Greenville and its ratepayers wouldn't assume that cost. So this is work that includes point repairs of sewer lines, replacement of some water lines, changes intended to reduce water infiltration, and possible relocation of a pump station to a less flood prone area. For Bethel and its residents, the result may not only be a more sustainable system moving forward, but also eventual cheaper water and sewer rates.\n\nAnd this could help attract more residents and businesses in the future.\n\nSpeaker 1: We know this is a vital opportunity to do a lot of that catch up and bring systems up to speed as much as possible, but we're gonna continue to need those partnerships with the state and the federal government to to keep these systems healthy and viable moving forward as well. Like I said, there's sort of more flexibility with this ruling that we've had in the last week or so. But even, you know, from the beginning, the treasury has said that these local ARP funds can be spent on projects that align with eligibility for the federal, clean water and drinking water state revolving funds. And, really, that gives municipalities and local governments a wide range of eligible utility. They can do, you know, replacing lines, stormwater projects, you know, facilities, plant refurbishments, all kinds of things that we know is are very needed locally.\n\nIt provides these local funds, you know, can be spent for that. And, you know, there's we mentioned the state ARP funds. The state has chosen to spend a good portion of its ARP funds on utility expenditures as well. So there's also opportunities for, you know, pooling money, kind of leveraging your local money to partner it with money coming in from the state. We think there's a lot of opportunity for regional collaboration and working with neighboring cities and towns, working with counties to think big picture as well about not just, you know, taking a look at the existing lines, but what really are the utility needs of the community, and there are any economies of scale that could be achieved by working with neighboring governments and and pooling money together to to really think big on what the future of a lot of these utility systems are.\n\nSpeaker 0: So about $26,000,000,000 needed to adequately upgrade water and sewer systems in North Carolina over twenty years, and that's according to a 2017 study by the state of North Carolina. It's a big deal when you consider that just 8% of local water and sewer needs are met through outside funding sources. Meanwhile, 89% of the state's population is served by the local government run water systems in North Carolina. Scott Mooneyham earlier mentioned distressed utilities that may not have the same resources in terms of ratepayers. You know, small towns sometimes lose population, and there's a history of that here.\n\nWhen we, for example, think of the small towns whose primary employers in, say, manufacturing shut down and went overseas, that's something a lot of towns have had to deal with. Lawmakers here in 2020 set up something called the Viable Utility Fund, meant to identify distressed systems, which some of these towns in these scenarios have found themselves in, and work towards solutions that could be sustained over time. But the money programmed for the Fund, of course, doesn't measure to the overall need. And the State's primary programs to provide funding for local water and sewer system investments, being the Clean Water State Revolving Fund and the Drinking Water State Revolving Fund, primarily rely on zero interest loans to our municipalities rather than grants. You know,\n\nSpeaker 1: we know with inflation and other factors that the cost of running a utility goes up and up every year, and there are certain fixed costs when you have a utility that you you have to keep up with. And a lot of these systems were built with federal grants back in the the twentieth century, and federal and state money available for those types of upgrades has really not been available, up until now with the American Rescue Plan. And so, you know, with 1,300,000,000.0 going into city governments around the state, every single city could spend every all of its allocation on utility needs and really wouldn't come close to matching that 20 to $26,000,000,000 that's been estimated.\n\nSpeaker 2: Given a lot of the infrastructure needs in North Carolina, it it's really clear that with this kind of one time money that is coming, really there's likely to be a once in a generation opportunity. There is the opportunity to create some transformational investments for communities. I think it's, again, it's important to recognize that this may represent a once in a generation opportunity that people think about how they might spend this monies in the most creative ways that generate economic opportunities for decades ahead, that improve quality of life for decades ahead. And so because we know there are these infrastructure challenges out there related to water and sewer systems, related to creating resiliency in communities when we've had, you know, all these storms. And at the same time that we've seen, you know, thirty, forty years of decline in in rural manufacturing, which has created problems economically.\n\nSo in that regard, how do you then get the best bang for the buck while maybe infrastructure investment might not be appropriate for every community, it's certainly a way to accomplish that goal if you can, again, figure out creative ways to do that.\n\nSpeaker 0: Scott Mooneyham points out that since the passage of the federal American Rescue Plan money, there's been the big federal infrastructure bill as well that's also passed. And that brings more money, but a lot of it will be based on competitive grant programs. It's also worth noting that the state received American Rescue Plan money, and some of it is going into programs that will flow to cities and towns. But again, some of it will be on a competitive basis.\n\nSpeaker 2: So in that regard, are there ways that communities can look to leverage that initial direct American Rescue Plan Act appropriation to their city or town to leverage it in a way that they can utilize it with these other either these other monies that are gonna come directly to them or through state programs to them or through a competitive process. And then I think the other creative part of that is to look at, are there opportunities to pool money? Yeah. Again, going back to that term I use creative, are there creative ways that people can use that money to leverage it in those ways in a in a broader fashion or pull people in, you know, like local governments in together to figure out ways to really, you know, I mean, the bottom line is really figure out ways to improve the quality of life for the residents.\n\nSpeaker 1: There are timelines associated with the expenditures of these funds as well. Funds must be obligated by the end of calendar year 2024 and spent by the end of calendar year 2026. But we know that when you're thinking about large capital projects and large utility projects that require permitting and engineering and all those sorts of things, and as there are so many funds coming into the state and local governments for infrastructure projects, there's gonna be competition for contractors and all of these other services that go along with these projects. You know, it's a good reason to to move quickly. You have an extended runway for these funds.\n\nThey don't have to fully be spent until the end of the year 2026. But if you're thinking about using them for utilities or other large infrastructure projects, it's a good idea to to think about that now and start the planning process of moving forward now because, from everybody that we've talked to that's involved with utility projects, we know that 2026 will will will come up on you faster than you think. So, there's time, but but there's no better time to to get started than right now.\n\nSpeaker 0: Please check out our special report on this very topic. It's called the American Rescue Plan and Local Infrastructure, how federal ARP dollars can address local water, sewer, and other infrastructure needs. That's the title of the report. It's easy to find. Just go to our special website, arp.nclm.0rg, and click on the resources and updates drop down menu.\n\nYou'll see it\n\nSpeaker 2: there.\n\nSpeaker 0: On the same website, arp.nclm.0rg, you can also find updates, and there's a blog. There's answers to frequently asked questions, and so on. We hope this helps your municipality navigate the American Rescue Plan and wise ways to spend your distribution. The report also has case studies for examples. Thanks Thanks for listening to Municipal Equation.\n\nThis is the podcast of the North Carolina League of Municipalities online at nclm.org. We are a member driven organization representing the interests of cities and towns in the state. Through their collective efforts, League member cities and towns better serve their residents and improve quality of life. For more than one hundred years, the League has been one voice for cities and towns working for a better North Carolina. We'll be back with more episodes of Municipal Equation.\n\nStay tuned. And if you have an idea you'd like to suggest, maybe there's an interesting project coming out of your town. Tell me about it. Send an email to bbrown@nclm.org. And that will go directly to me.\n\nAgain, bbrown@nclm.org. And thank you again for listening. 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