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Hier sollen nicht nur Kontakte gekn\u00fcpft werden, sondern auch neue Prozesse oder Dienstleistungen entwickelt werden und es geht Wissensaustausch. Was erfolgreiche Innovationsnetzwerke ausmacht, dar\u00fcber sprechen wir heute hier bei ReStart digital. Mein Name ist Franziska Walser und bei mir im Studio sind Liadon Sage, wissenschaftliche Mitarbeiterin im Kompetenzzentrum \u00f6ffentlicher IT mit den Themenschwerpunkten innovativer Start und digitale Partizipation. Hallo, Liadon. Hallo Franziska. Und Doktor Mike Weber, Trendforscher und stellvertretender Leiter des \u00f6fid. Hallo, Mike. Hallo, Franziska. Erz\u00e4hlt mal ihr 2, in welchen Netzwerken seid ihr denn und wie profitiert ihr von Netzwerken? Wenn ihr mich das vor 'n paar Wochen gefragt h\u00e4ttet, h\u00e4tt ich wahrscheinlich gesagt, netzwerke ich doch \u00fcberhaupt gar nicht. Jetzt hat Leon f\u00fcr uns dankenswerterweise mal zusammengestellt, mit wem wir alles zusammenarbeiten in vom Kompetenz zur\u00fcck und beim \u00f6ffentlicher IT. Und da ist ein wahnsinnig gro\u00dfes Bild bei rausgekommen. Also wir arbeiten intensivsten und mit allen mit Organisationen aus allen Gesellschaftsbereichen zusammen, also Forschung nat\u00fcrlich klassischerweise \u00f6ffentlicher Sektor, aber auch Wirtschaft und Zivilgesellschaft. Das hat mir gezeigt, wie intensiv wir tats\u00e4chlich schon schon als Organisation vernetzt sind und dann nat\u00fcrlich auch in bestimmten eher formalisierteren Formen in anderen Netzwerken zusammenarbeiten. Okay, also das hei\u00dft, Du bist eingebunden, aber Du bist jetzt nicht irgendwo, wo Du 'n Mitgliedsantrag ausf\u00fcllen musstest und regelm\u00e4\u00dfig zu treffen gehst oder so was. Also die Art von Netzwerk nicht. Mitgliedsantr\u00e4gen, ich pers\u00f6nlich vereinzelt. Das ist ja das Sch\u00f6ne an Netzwerken. Das ist immer so unterschiedlich. Mhm. Also das ist sehr formal und die meisten sind ja offen und zeichnen sich ja grade durch diese Nicht Formalisierung aus. Und ja, in der Tat, wenn wenn es darum geht, formale Mitgliedsantr\u00e4ge w\u00e4r dienstlich wahrscheinlich auch 'n gr\u00f6\u00dferer Verwaltungsakt bei Fraunhofer. M\u00fcssen wir das bringen? Nein. Aber das eher nicht. Aber nat\u00fcrlich dann einfach bei irgendwelchen Informationsveranstaltungen, zu denen man sich regelm\u00e4\u00dfig anmelden kann, da ist man ja schon halb im Netzwerk drin. Ja, das stimmt. Wie ist bei dir, Lira? Ja, ich w\u00fcrde auch mich da anschlie\u00dfen. Ich denke, bei den bei den meisten Netzwerken in der Verwaltung ist es eher eine Ausnahme, dass man formalisierte Antr\u00e4ge stellen muss. Und ich bin zum Beispiel also bei einigen, man kann so sich immer wieder reinschnuppern eigentlich in verschiedene Verwaltungsnetzwerke. Zum Beispiel die NEXT Communities sind besonders niedrigschwellig, w\u00fcrde ich sagen. Da gibt's auch zum Beispiel ein Women Up NEXT, die ich ganz spannend finde immer. Und ja, also auch zum Beispiel die Piazza Konferenz hatten wir auch letztens bei \u00d6FITM gemeinsam mit unseren Partnern bei, also auch bei der beim Netz NEX Netzwerk bei der Gesellschaft f\u00fcr Informatik und mit der Open Knowledge Foundation veranstaltet. Und das ist auch immer ein so ein besonderes Format tats\u00e4chlich, das Leute aus Verwaltungs, Weggesellschaft und Wissenschaft zusammenbringen soll. Und genau, also warum ich dann teilnehme immer so ein, also wie Du wie Du gefragt hast. Ich finde, f\u00fcr mich gibt's immer so wirklich Mehrwert dabei zu sein und so neue Ideen zu h\u00f6ren, die vielleicht noch nicht bei mir also bei mir angekommen waren, sondern ein bisschen Inspiration f\u00fcr die f\u00fcr die Arbeit zu bekommen und auch sich einfach ja beruflich zu vernetzen. Vor allem als junge Frau, also auch relativ neu in diesem Feld, w\u00fcrde ich sagen, also Digitalisierung des \u00f6ffentlichen Sektors, dann ja, es gibt auch wirklich eine gute Auswahl. Also ich glaub, ja, das DAX Netzwerk hatte eine Liste zusammengestellt, da dabei waren 76 Netzwerke. Da hab ich gestaunt. Genau, das hab ich gelesen in dem Whitepaper, dass es 76 Netzwerke sind. Das ist schon fast 'n bisschen Qual der Wahl. Mhm. Wie sch\u00e4tzt ihr's denn ein? Es gab ja auch son bisschen polemisch den Vorwurf des Netzwerk Gewirs. Also sind es vielleicht sogar schon fast zu viele Netzwerke, den \u00dcberblick zu behalten? Es kann manchmal, ja, wie Du sagst, Qual der Wahl sein. Also f\u00fcr Verwaltungsmitarbeitende, vor allem mit wahrscheinlich weniger Zeit, also weniger Zeitressourcen, Da muss man sich tats\u00e4chlich entscheiden. Aber ich w\u00fcrde sagen, die meisten Netzwerke haben auch einen klaren thematischen Schwerpunkt. Mhm. Und entsprechend kann man sich halt entscheiden, wo bringt es mir etwas, also dabei zu sein und wo brauche ich vielleicht bisschen, ja, Unterst\u00fctzung bei der L\u00f6sung 1 Herausforderung, die ich gerade habe? Genau, kann man sich entscheiden, nat\u00fcrlich ich Aber nat\u00fcrlich gibt's auch so ein bisschen Kritik, dass man vielleicht einige Netzwerke doch 'n bisschen zusammenstellen oder quasi wissen, ja, dass es doch 'n bisschen mehr Konstellation braucht oder 'n bisschen mehr Zusammenf\u00fchrung, einige Netzwerke, ja. Wobei es ja eigentlich faszinierend ist, ne? Dann spricht man immer von Netzwerkeffekten, das ist alles zum gr\u00f6\u00dferen Netzwerk konvergiert und offenbar funktioniert das in der Verwaltung nicht so ganz hundertprozentig. Aber ich will das auch so sehen, dass in erster Linie thematisch getrieben ist. Ja und wie zum Beispiel Beispiele, also jetzt f\u00fcr, ich wei\u00df, es gibt f\u00fcr die Vergabe zum Beispiel 'n Netzwerk einzeln. Also was w\u00e4ren so Beispiele f\u00fcr so sehr spezifische Netzwerke, die es da gibt? Lustigerweise gab's f\u00fcr den Bereich Beschaffungeinkauf, \u00f6ffentlicher Einkauf ja tats\u00e4chlich 2 Netzwerke. Ach so. Ah. Und da hat sich dann 1, sagen wir neu fokussiert, neu ausgerichtet. Mhm. Und das ist dann ja auch, wenn man so will, 'n guter Marktmechanismus, wenn sich 1 von den beiden durchsetzt, dann w\u00fcrde ich jetzt mal so interpretieren. Ja. Und was ist aus eurer Sicht, was braucht 'n gutes Netzwerk, zu funktionieren? Also wir haben schon gesagt, jetzt klarer Fokus ist was, was gut ist. Was braucht's noch? Die gro\u00dfe Herausforderung, so ganz allgemein und auf 'ner hohen \u00dcberflug h\u00f6her Die gro\u00dfe Herausforderung bei Netzwerken ist ja immer, ich muss irgendwas investieren und das, was ich zur\u00fcckkriege, ist nicht so eindeutig. Mhm. Also wenn ich irgendwas einkaufe, dann kriege ich das Produkt zur\u00fcck oder die Dienstleistung oder was auch immer, dann ist die Gegenleistung immer vollkommen klar. Das ist bei Netzwerken nicht immer so eindeutig. Also es kann nat\u00fcrlich sein, dass ich irgendwo zum Netzwerktreffen gehe und v\u00f6llig beseelt bin und denke, oh toll, da muss ich immer wieder hin. Vielleicht dann doch eher die Ausnahme. Also ich muss investieren und wei\u00df noch nicht so ganz genau, was ich dabei rauskriege. Also ich investier Zeit, ich investier vielleicht auch Aufwand in, ich fuchs mich da ein in die Online Foren oder ne, die haben ja auch ganz verschiedene Plattformen, diese Netzwerke. Das ist mein Invest sozusagen. In erster Linie Zeit. Mhm. Oder wenn ich meinen Impuls gebe, dann nat\u00fcrlich noch 'n bisschen mehr Zeit und Ja. Vernit\u00e4rliche Arbeit, die ich da leisten muss. Ja und dementsprechend ist es h\u00e4ufig so, dass Netzwerke dann Fr\u00fcher h\u00e4tte man gesagt, 'n K\u00fcmmerer brauchen. Also irgendetwas, entweder eine Organisation, die das tr\u00e4gt oder aber jemand, der ganz gezielt und dann auch f\u00fcr die Sache brennt und das vorantreibt. Das ist immer sehr hilfreich, dann auch son bisschen so diese diese kritische Phase, krieg ich jetzt zur\u00fcck, was ich investiert habe, son bisschen zu \u00fcberbr\u00fccken. Ah, ist spannend. Okay und dann diese K\u00fcmmerer w\u00fcrden dann so was sagen wie zum Beispiel, bei unserem n\u00e4chsten Treffen geht es mag mal jemanden 'n Impuls dazuschreiben? Also weil man sonst einfach so reinrutscht in dieses stammtischartige, dann alle sind da und was machen wir jetzt sozusagen? Es ist also jetzt 'n bisschen zugespitzt, aber ist es so? Ja, es ist auf jeden Fall ganz wichtig, dass es ein auch eine Erkenntnis aus aus unserer Studie jetzt, dass es auf jeden Fall so eine 1 starke Themensetzung braucht in dem Netzwerk. Es braucht auch eine inhaltliche Gestaltung und das erfolgt meistens in den meisten Netzwerken oder jedenfalls die bei denen, die wir untersucht haben, auch durch die koordinierende Organisation, dass jemand wirklich so quasi sich darum k\u00fcmmert, ja, ein Programm auf zu also zu f\u00fcllen zu f\u00fcllen, auch son bisschen die die Impulse von au\u00dfen vielleicht zu suchen oder eben vom von innerhalb des Netzwerks, ist nat\u00fcrlich auch m\u00f6glich. Aber genau, dass dass die Leute dann reinkommen und nicht erst mal da leer, also quasi ohne Programm da oder ohne Themen zum Beispiel, wenn man eben Kleingruppen arbeiten oder Speeddating macht zum Beispiel, dass es auch ganz konkrete Themen gibt, weil sonst ja kann es auch ins Leere oder kann k\u00f6nnen viele Leute verloren gehen auf jeden Fall. Genau und aber das kann nat\u00fcrlich auch so auch st\u00e4rker vielleicht durch die Teilnehmenden erfolgen auch, dass die wirklich auch Impulse selbst mitbringen und Ideen und sagen, ja, das k\u00f6nnte ich als Best Practice zum Beispiel mit der Gruppe teilen oder genau, also dass dass man auch auf jeden Fall als Koordinator, also Koordinator oder Koordinatorin st\u00e4rker vielleicht Impulse von den Teilnehmenden sucht. Dass die wirklich auch in der Aktivit\u00e4t kommen und dazu beitragen und eben mehr als nur, ich bin hier, ich opfere meine Zeit, sondern vielleicht auch, ich geborene euch Input. Genau, ja. Dass die in sone Haltung mehr kommen. Dass sie sich auch sehen, also dass Teilnehmende sich auch sehen dann als Mitgestalter des Netzwerks und nicht nur als massive irgendwie Beobachter oder so, dass die ihr Wissen mitnehmen, aber vielleicht also damit's wirklich anschlussnah ist, also quasi praxisnah f\u00fcr die f\u00fcr die auch f\u00fcr die Teilnehmenden ist. Also damit m\u00fcssen sie halt auch 'n bisschen einem was einbringen. Ja. Kann sich auch tot k\u00fcmmern, ja. Und wie wie ist so eure Erfahrungen mit online versus offline? Also hat sich nat\u00fcrlich doch Corona zuletzt auch viel online verlagert, aber braucht's Pr\u00e4senztreffen f\u00fcr 'n funktionierendes Netzwerk oder muss gar nicht? Ich bin da 'n bisschen hin- und hergerissen. Also es geht nat\u00fcrlich sehr, sehr viel online und gerade auch dadurch, dass wir, also hier unser Format Piazza zum Beispiel machen wir ganz bewusst online, die die die Teilnahmeschwelle m\u00f6glichst niedrig zu halten. Und das ist nat\u00fcrlich, grad wenn man ortsvereilte Netzwerke hat oder das in den Arbeitsalltag integrieren m\u00f6chte, ist es nat\u00fcrlich 'n ganz wichtiger Punkt. Also deswegen w\u00fcrd ich sagen, Standard ist mittlerweile online. Es kann nat\u00fcrlich nicht schaden, je nachdem, auch wieder wenn man 'n konkretes Ziel hat, konkretes Projekt bearbeiten m\u00f6chte, dann ist es nat\u00fcrlich immer sehr, sehr hilfreich, wenn man sich auch mal pers\u00f6nlich sieht und dann trifft. Also ich w\u00fcrde sagen, je nach Art des Netzwerkes kann sich die Mischung unterscheiden, aber Primat eindeutig online mittlerweile. K\u00f6nnt ihr mal kurz zu dem Piazza, das hattet ihr jetzt zweimal schon erw\u00e4hnt, was genau passiert da? Genau, also das ist so ein Workshopkonfer Eine Workshopkonference. Wir machen dann jedes Jahr, also tats\u00e4chlich jetzt hat's im November stattgefunden zum f\u00fcnften Mal und da gibt's immer mehrere Parallelworkshops. Wir machen quasi eine 1 offenes Verfahren, also genau, dass das Personen aus Verwaltungs, Zivilgesellschaft und Wissenschaft vor allem Workshop Ideen einreichen k\u00f6nnen und dann machen wir ein Auswahlverfahren und gemeinsam in diesem Tr\u00e4gerkreis, die Partner hatte ich vorhin bereits erw\u00e4hnt und suchen wir dann quasi die die aktuellsten oder die vielversprechendsten Konzepte aus. Und dann begleiten wir dann diese diese Organisationen \u00fcber in diesen in den 3 Sektoren. Und genau setzen dann die Workshops technisch wie meinte das genau das findet seit 5 Jahren tats\u00e4chlich digital statt, auch weil eine Erkenntnis aus den letzten Jahren ist, dass viele Verwaltungen aus Kommunen auch ganz oft Ja, es ist einfach sehr dezentral, ne? Man hat dann viel Anreise Genau. Wenn man das machen w\u00fcrde vor Ort. Genau, es w\u00e4re fast unm\u00f6glich, jetzt das Konzept so umzusetzen, wenn wir es wirklich vor Ort Also wir haben nat\u00fcrlich auch \u00fcberlegt, also Hybrid zu machen oder so, aber schlie\u00dflich hat sich das digitale Format im Falle der Piazza gut bew\u00e4hrt. Mhm. Jetzt ist das Whitepaper, was uns zu diesem Podcast inspiriert hat, was Du geschrieben hast, Diadon, da geht's Innovationsnetzwerke. Wie unterscheidet sich denn 'n Innovationsnetzwerk von einem, wei\u00df ich nicht, allgemeinen Netzwerk? Also was macht das aus sozusagen, ne? Warum steht da Innovation davor? Ja, das ist das ist tats\u00e4chlich die Schl\u00fcsselfrage, genau. Ja, also Netzwerke haben wir jetzt besprochen, haben wir festgestellt, sind ja sehr wichtig in der Verwaltung und aber sie sollen ja mehr als nur eine Plattform sein f\u00fcr den informellen Austausch. Also mit mit dem Begriff Innovationsnetzwerk wollen wir wirklich einen Schwerpunkt drauflegen, dass sie auch, dass diese Netzwerke auch als strategisches Instrument genutzt werden k\u00f6nnen von der Verwaltung, gerade wirklich so ihre Handlungsf\u00e4higkeit und Leistungsf\u00e4higkeit zu, also genau, zu sichern und weiterzuentwickeln. Also es geht, es war auch ein bisschen ein Prozess jetzt im im Laufe der Studie. Es geht wirklich nicht nur darum, Produkte oder so zu zu Was ja das 1. Ist, was man bei Innovationen denkt, ne, dass da wirklich neue Anwendungen bei rumkommen Ja. Aber es ist breiter gedacht. Es ist auf jeden Fall breiter gedacht. Ja, Innovation in diesem Kontext, also gerade im Kontext des \u00f6ffentlichen Sektors kann ja, wie Du bereits eingangs erw\u00e4hnt hast, Dienstleistungen bedeuten, also quasi Verfahren, neue oder verbesserte Verfahren, Produkte, auch Ma\u00dfnahmen, die \u00f6ffentlichen Mehrwert schaffen. Das kann ja einiges umfassen auf jeden Fall. Und wir haben bewusst auch diese Definition den Wissenstransfer erg\u00e4nzt f\u00fcr die Studie, weil wir eben auch anerkennen, dass Wissen und Wissenstransfer sehr wichtig ist von f\u00fcr Netzwerke in der \u00f6ffentlichen Verwaltung. Mhm. Und es gibt aber schon also diese Netzwerke, diese 76, \u00fcber die wir hier gesprochen haben, 'n Teil davon ist auch schon Innovationsnetzwerke, w\u00fcrdet ihr sagen, ne. Also die gibt's schon, die m\u00fcssen nicht neu erfunden werden. Nein, nein. Die die klassifizieren sich vielleicht nicht selber als als Innovationsnetzwerk. Deswegen der Begriff erscheint vielleicht ein bisschen neu, aber ist tats\u00e4chlich schon bekannt in der Wissenschaft. Es gibt zum Beispiel auch den Begriff Public Service Innovation Networks international, also quasi eben Innovationsnetzwerke f\u00fcr \u00f6ffentliche Dienstleistungen, die dann besonders innovativ gestaltet werden sollen. Wir hatten dann auch in den Interviews mit den Netzwerkkoordinatorinnen gefragt, ja und seht ihr euch eigentlich, das ist eine Innovationsnetzwerke? Und f\u00fcr die meisten war das eine neue Frage, die sich vielleicht noch nicht gestellt hatten, aber die Antwort war dann meistens, ja, wir sind eigentlich innovativ. Also wir wir unsere Methoden oder unsere Ans\u00e4tze oder letztendlich auch die Ergebnisse, die wir erzielen, sind quasi fallen unter diesem Begriff. Und Mike, vielleicht warum ist es wichtig, das so neu zu definieren und zu sagen, da findet Innovation statt? Geht's da auch darum, dass die Verwaltungen dann, da auch darum, dass die Verwaltungen dann quasi ihre Leute freistellen, zum Beispiel, da teilzunehmen? Also geht's darum, diesen Stellenwert 'n bisschen h\u00f6her zu h\u00e4ngen? Mhm. Das ist da der quasi in der Wirkung nach hinten raus f\u00fcr die Organisation 'n ganz wichtiger Aspekt, die auch die M\u00f6glichkeiten zu geben, dass sich die Leute daran beteiligen k\u00f6nnen. M\u00f6chte noch mal von 'ner anderen Seite kommen, von 'ner Innovationsseite. Es gibt ja diesen wunderbaren Satz, Innovationen entstehen dann Grenzen. Also sprich, wenn man in seiner Organisation hockt, zusammen hockt, dann ist es unheimlich schwierig, neue Ideen und funktioniert auch. Wir sind ja auch 'n kreativer Verein, aber es ist relativ schwieriger, neue Ideen zu produzieren. Und es ist viel leichter, mal \u00fcber den Tellerrand zu gucken und da mal zu gucken, wie machen's denn die anderen? Und dadurch Ideen f\u00fcr Innovationen zu bekommen. Und das ist nat\u00fcrlich die klassische Funktion 1 Netzwerkes, \u00fcber den Tellerrand zu gucken. Ob das jetzt eine \u00e4hnliche Organisation ist, die nur woanders was \u00c4hnliches macht oder auch eine ganz andere Organisation, die ganz anders aufgestellt ist, Und daraus zu lernen, also klassischerweise Agilit\u00e4t haben wir ja auch ein Beispiel in der Studie drin. Das ist so ein 1 Punkt, der auch organisations\u00fcbergreifend sehr gut adaptierbar und Ja. Abernehmbar ist. Deswegen ist dieses Innovative im Netzwerk schon so halb mit drin. Dadurch darf ich eben diese Grenzen \u00fcberschreiten. Genau, genau. Und jetzt halt noch mal den besonderen Fokus darauf zu lenken, na ja, was kommt denn auch an Innovativen hinten raus bei diesen Netzwerken? Das ist, glaube ich, auch, wenn ich richtig verstanden habe, gerade auch f\u00fcr die Netzwerke noch mal 'n sch\u00f6ner Lerneffekt, dass sie sehen, ja, es passiert tats\u00e4chlich was und da kommt tats\u00e4chlich was hinten raus. Wir bringen nicht nur Menschen zusammen, sondern wir produzieren was am Ende. Genau. Genau. Genau. Und das ist dann, haben wir auch schon gesagt, in erster Linie ja, weil konzentriert sich nat\u00fcrlich eher auf Prozessinnovationen als auf Produkteinnovationen. Und da das ist dann auch wieder ein Argument und jetzt sind wir wieder am Anfang deiner Frage, das ist dann auch wieder 'n Argument zu zeigen, hier guck mal, dieses Netzwerk funktioniert, da kommt richtig was raus, da haben wir was gelernt, was umgesetzt und deswegen m\u00fcssen wir da strategisch priorisieren. Ja. Und dieses auch dieser Punkt, den Du am Anfang genannt hast, ne? Ich geh in 'n Netzwerk rein, investier was und wei\u00df nicht so richtig, was ich bei rauskomme. Da wei\u00df man dann auch, da kommt Innovation raus im besten Fall sozusagen, ja. Genau, das sind sch\u00f6ne Beispiele jetzt. Ja, genau Beispiel ist 'n gutes Stichwort. Ihr habt ja ja nicht alle \u00fcber 70 Netzwerke untersucht, sondern ihr habt 5 Netzwerke ausgew\u00e4hlt. Mhm. K\u00f6nnt ihr mal kurz erkl\u00e4ren, warum oder Leadon Du, warum Du die ausgew\u00e4hlt hast? Genau diese 5. Genau, also wir hatten einen Workshop auch wieder, Stichwort Piazza, auf der Piazza Konferenz letztes Jahr gemeinsam mit dem NEX Netzwerk und hatten dann eine so eine Liste zusammengetragen tats\u00e4chlich gemeinsam mit den Workshopteilnehmenden aus genau das die waren auch selbst Experten in verschiedenen Netzwerken drin in und f\u00fcr die Verwaltung. Genau und haben dann daraus quasi aus diese Liste dann diese 5 Beispiele gezogen. Und also wie wir ja, bestimmt werden wir das gleich besprechen. Also man merkt, die haben sehr unterschiedliche Themenschwerpunkte, auch sehr unterschiedliche Formate, Herangehensweisen, auch so Ans\u00e4tze. Und das war auch ein Kriterium f\u00fcr uns, dass wir auf jeden Fall den Kontrast haben, so m\u00f6glichst viele also quasi ja verschiedene Good Practices dann einsammeln k\u00f6nnen. Und von also nat\u00fcrlich das Hauptkriterium war, dass die Netzwerke vorher f\u00fcr uns von au\u00dfen mindestens so als Innovationsnetzwerk eingestuft werden konnten. Dass die irgendwie was innovatives machen, also dass die zum Beispiel genau Innovationen als Ziel oder als Ergebnis erzielen und genau auf diese Basis haben wir dann die 5 ausgew\u00e4hlt. Also ist kein Best of, sondern ihr habt einfach sehr auf Verschiedenheit eher geguckt, ne? Man Genau. Ja, zum Beispiel auch kommunal, also Lande, Bundesebene, also dass die sehr unterschiedlich agieren. Ja. K\u00f6nnen k\u00f6nntest Du einmal alle 5 nennen? Also wir werden nicht alle 5 vertiefen k\u00f6nnen, aber einfach, damit wir's mal geh\u00f6rt haben. Genau, ja gerne. Also die das deutsche Vergabenetzwerk, die Kerncommunity, der KGSt Innovations Circle in Agilit\u00e4t in der Kommunalverwaltung, die Next Community Wissensmanagement und der KI Campus der Polizei. Mhm. Waren die 5 Netzwerke. Okay. Und vielleicht, wenn wir uns jetzt mal diesen KI Campus der Polizei Mhm. Rausgreifen, weil es klingt so sehr konkret, da w\u00e4r bin ich nat\u00fcrlich gleich interessiert. Mhm. Wie findet denn da zum Beispiel Innovation statt? K\u00f6nnt ihr da mal son Beispiel nennen, wie das Netzwerk Also was da schon rausgekommen ist, sag ich jetzt mal. Das Sch\u00f6ne an dem Beispiel ist, dass es ja auch schon, wie soll man sagen, ergebnis- und zielorientiert arbeitet, dieses Netzwerk. Also es hat zwar einen Teil, der sehr breit aufgestellt ist und zu Wissensvermittlung und sonst was dient, aber auch einen Teil, wo's ganz konkrete Projekte geht. Und da 'n Kollege von uns hat unter anderem an einem Projekt mitgearbeitet, wo es Gewalterkennung im \u00f6ffentlichen Raum geht. Mhm. Und da Stichwort Video\u00fcberwachung, wo wo wo dann alle Alarmglocken bei einigen Menschen angehen. Also wie schafft man es, ein 1 technisches System zu konstruieren, das Gewalt im \u00f6ffentlichen Raum erkennt, ohne allzu tief in Pers\u00f6nlichkeitsrechte einzugreifen? Also ohne den Raum komplett mit Kameras zu bewachen, was die Standardl\u00f6sung gewesen w\u00e4re. Und dann in diesem Netzwerk sind dann halt ganz unterschiedliche Sichtweisen zusammengekommen und dann haben wir auch sehr stark eine ethische Sichtweise auf diese Fragestellungen, ethisch aus 'ner Technikgestaltungsperspektive. Und haben dann langsam und sicher diese L\u00f6sung immer weiterentwickelt. Und das, was jetzt rausgekommen ist, ist, wenn ich das richtig verstanden habe, eine Radar\u00fcberwachung oder so was. Technisch technisch bin ich nicht so sehr drin. Aber auf jeden Fall ein 1 Form der \u00dcberwachung, wo ich halt eben nicht diese Kameras brauche, sondern andere Instrumente einsetzen kann, wo ich halt nicht permanent alle beobachten muss, aber trotzdem noch diese Gewalterkennung durchf\u00fchren kann. Und genau diese diese dieses Feintuning der Technologie, das ist in diesem Netzwerk passiert. Und hier, da einfach noch mal zu zu den Praktikabilit\u00e4ten. Also dieses Netzwerk, KI Netzwerk der Polizei, wer kommt denn da zusammen? Das Netzwerk zielt in erster Linie oder ist aus ausgerichtet auf die 4 Bundespolizeien und dann die also die Polizeien der der L\u00e4nder. Genau und es wird organisiert vom vom Programm P20 im Bundesinnenministerium. Ich glaub, gemeinsam auch mit dem Bundeskriminalamt und der CDS. Und was was haben die richtig gemacht, sozusagen zu diesem Ergebnis zu kommen? Also ihr guckt ja eben, wie Du gesagt hast, nach Best Practices. Mhm. Was w\u00e4ren da Best Practices, Practices, die man mitnehmen k\u00f6nnte aus diesem Netzwerk? Mhm. Also ich glaub, die Marcus angesprochen hat auf jeden Fall die zusammen also die Zusammenf\u00fchrung von Expertinnen aus verschiedenen Bereichen. Also jetzt gerade, wenn's die aditsue Technikgestaltung geht, dann mussten nat\u00fcrlich zwangsl\u00e4ufig au\u00dferhalb auch der der der Polizeien auch so Experten aus Wissenschaft und Zivilgesellschaft zusammenkommen. Ich glaub, dieser offene Ansatz ist auf jeden Fall 'n wichtiger Punkt beim KI Campus der Polizei. Auch die nutzen nat\u00fcrlich auch so unterschiedliche Formate, Pr\u00e4senz und online und genau. Also ich glaub, die sind einfach besonders offen, aber die Zielgruppe ist klar und auch dieses Projekt war auch nat\u00fcrlich gut, also thematisch klar definiert, also nicht zu breit aufgestellt. Und genau, also auf jeden Fall diese Synergie mit der Wissenschaft ist was Besonderes, glaube ich, in diesem Kontext. Ja. Ja und noch ein Beispiel zum Beispiel, also weil es ja mehrmals genannt w\u00fcrde in der Befragung, die wir unter den Teilnehmenden des Netzwerks durchgef\u00fchrt haben, auch die haben zum Beispiel eine KI Anwendungslandkarte auch erstellt, also wo quasi die dann die bestehenden KI Anwendungsf\u00e4lle von den verschiedenen Polizeien in Deutschland dann zusammengetragen w\u00fcrden und quasi auf 1 Landkarte visualisiert werden. Und das ist auch, das w\u00e4r auch noch so ein Produkt, das eigentlich ja auch als Innovation gekennzeichnet also bezeichnet werden kann, weil es ja auch was Neues ist, was ja eine \u00dcbersicht gibt \u00fcber \u00fcber bestehende F\u00e4lle. Total, also wo einfach Wissen eingesammelt wurde von Menschen in dem Netzwerk und sichtbar gemacht wurde sozusagen. Genau. Mhm. Genau, noch mal kurz zu der Methodik in dem Whitepaper. Du hast ja sowohl Teilnehmende befragt im Netzwerk als auch die Organisatoren, soweit sie die gibt, ne? Genau. Also das hei\u00dft, es gibt auch richtig son Erkenntnisse dar\u00fcber, wie zufrieden sind die mit dem Netzwerk letztendlich, ne? Mhm. Genau. Das stimmt, ja. Sind die, also spiegelt sich das da auch wieder in in diesem Fall mit dem KI Netzwerk? Also dass die auch das Gef\u00fchl haben, hey, ich hab da meine Zeit sinnvoll investiert? Ja, auf jeden Fall. Das konnte man gut. Also wir haben nat\u00fcrlich auch jetzt im Paper kein kein Netzwerkvergleich gemacht, also wie zufrieden sind jetzt die die Teilnehmenden der verschiedenen Netzwerke. Mhm. Aber trotzdem, doch man hat es klar an an allen Netzwerken tats\u00e4chlich gesehen, dass es einen klaren Mehrwert gibt f\u00fcr alle Teilnehmenden. Wirklich ein Gro\u00dfteil haben gesagt, ja, f\u00fcr mich, f\u00fcr meine Arbeit gibt's wirklich Mehrwert an also bei der Teilnahme und auch haben sie das Netzwerk, also ich glaub 3 2 Drittel haben die Netzwerke jeweils als innovativ betrachtet. Also auf jeden Fall ist das ja. Und war da auch das der Fall, was wir gerade besprochen haben, also dass die Leute auch in so 'ner aktiven Rolle sind? Also dass sie das Gef\u00fchl haben, hey, ich kann dieses Netzwerk gestalten, ich kann Themen setzen. Mhm. Also war das da auch der Fall oder vielleicht auch in 'nem anderen Netzwerk st\u00e4rker, was Du untersucht hast? Es ist also Du sprichst gerade tats\u00e4chlich auch eine Herausforderung an f\u00fcr also f\u00fcr die Netzwerkgestalt, also f\u00fcr die Netzwerkkoordinatorinnen, denke ich, weil ja, also zum Beispiel im KGST Innovationszirkel, das also das besch\u00e4ftigt sich ja mit Agilit\u00e4t. Also vielleicht vom Thema her ist es sowieso sehr gut an sich, auch agil nat\u00fcrlich und praktiziert viele auch agile Methoden, auch im Netzwerk. Aber trotzdem, also man hat wirklich gemerkt, dass diese die Netzwerkkoordinatorin hat sich von Anfang an als quasi als Mitglied des Netzwerks auch irgendwie diese Rolle dann klar definiert und Also nicht so hierarchisch, nicht ich bin Genau. Und ihr seid das Netzwerk Ja. Sondern sie ist einfach ein Punkt in diesem Netzwerk. Genau und die ist ein Teil davon Ja. Und das hei\u00dft auch, dass die nicht also dass diese Erwartung, also Erwartungsmanagement ist wahrscheinlich so das wichtige Stichwort dazu, dass man am Anfang klarstellt, ja, ich werde nicht jetzt die ganzen Inhalte f\u00fcr euch dann bespielen, sondern ihr m\u00fcsst auch selber mit Ideen reinkommen und ich werde dann halt auch teilweise nat\u00fcrlich so Inhalte mitbringen, aber nicht nur. Also das ist, glaube ich, auch bei der Koordination dann ein wichtiger Punkt. Ja. In dem Paper ist ja auch diese wunderbare Einteilung von chaotisch bis zu projekt bezogen, glaub ich, geht die Skala. Genau, es gibt sone wie sone Netzwerkklassifizierung, ne? Von Genau. Ich hab mir Genau. Klar. Darm gemerkt zum Beispiel, ne? Da gibt's Namen f\u00fcr verschiedene Netzwerkorganisationen. Genau. Und je nachdem, auf auf auf, wenn es jetzt ist, es ist 'n bisschen vereinfacht, wenn man's als einfache Skala betrachtet, aber wenn man von chaotisch bis zu projektorientiert, ist nat\u00fcrlich auch der die Notwendigkeit der Steuerung eine ganz andere. Also ich will jetzt keinesfalls chaotisch bezeichnen, aber da ist es nat\u00fcrlich von von 'ner Struktur vom Erwartungsmanagement schon ganz anders, dass die Leute sich einbringen. Ja, genau. So. Also da es w\u00e4ren wie so 2 Pole, ne? Also dieses KI Netzwerk der Polizei relativ klar strukturiert, wir wollen hier das und das untersuchen und das andere 'n bisschen freier, dieses KGSt agiles Arbeiten. Ja, das k\u00f6nnte man vielleicht so sagen. Ja. Ja. Ja, es geht auch ein bisschen Ich glaub, wir haben das auch vorhin gesagt, zentrale oder dezentrale Steuerung und entsprechende Ergebnisse auch. Ich versuch mir da gerade, weil das ist ja dieses kommunale Netzwerk, das sind ja einfach wirklich potenziell sehr, sehr viele Menschen, die daran teilnehmen k\u00f6nnten. Mhm. Wie machen die denn da eine Auswahl? Ja, also im Falle der des HGST Innovations Circles tats\u00e4chlich gab's so viel Interesse. Also die hatten das, glaub ich, auch selber nicht erwartet, weil es meistens nicht notwendig ist, so einen Antrag stellen zu m\u00fcssen f\u00fcr die Teilnahme. Aber in diesem Fall m\u00fcssten sie so einen kurzen, ja, Netzwerkteilnehmenden wirklich auch Fachexpertise mitbringen. Nicht nur Interessierte sind, sondern wirklich auch selber im Thema im Thema drin sind und sich auskennen. Und andererseits hat's auch ein bisschen mehr Verbindlichkeit geschaffen, glaube ich. Mhm. Also ist mein Eindruck, weil es gibt ja auch mehrere, also ist tats\u00e4chlich auch zeitlich befristet, diese dieses Netzwerk, also Noah auf 2 Jahre. Das hei\u00dft, die Treffen werden von Anfang an so mehr oder weniger definiert, so wann wir uns wo wo treffen und dann muss muss dann eben die Personen dabei sein und es gibt auch keine stille Teilhabeschaft. Man kann nicht passiv dabei sein und manche Treffen verpassen, sondern man muss wirklich auch aktiv dabei sein. Okay. Ja, ja, das ist nat\u00fcrlich eine gro\u00dfe Verbindlichkeit, aber ist wahrscheinlich auch gut, ne, dass man nicht so bei diesen vielen, vielen M\u00f6glichkeiten, die man hat, nicht so, ah, dann geh ich doch lieber zu dem Netzwerk, sondern da sind die so Ja. Bisschen Ja, das stimmt. Ja. Ja. Vor allem, wenn man wei\u00df, dass es noch f\u00fcr 2 Jahre ist, dann kann man sich, glaube ich, verpflichten und vielleicht nach 2 Jahren das n\u00e4chste Netzwerk dann angucken. Ja. Also, ja. Okay. Aber auch schade eigentlich, dass das so befristet ist. Waren da mehrere Netzwerke so befristet? Weil das braucht ja wirklich eigentlich lange, sowas in Gang zu bringen und aufzubauen. Und eigentlich ist es ja nicht die Idee, dass man so dann quasi wieder zerrei\u00dft nach so 'ner kurzen Zeit. Na ja, also im Falle der KGST Innovationszirkel, die sind alle auf 2 Jahre befristet, au\u00dfer es gibt dann explizit Willen, aus der Gruppe dann weiterzumachen. Und da m\u00fcsste es aber einen klaren Auftrag geben, warum also oder quasi ein 1 genau ein 1 klare Fragestellung, die man dann weiterbearbeiten muss oder so. Aber sonst, ja, ich finde es eigentlich also als Lebenszyklus von Netzwerken, also am Ende, wenn sie sich aufl\u00f6sen, weil das Ziel erreicht ist oder weil die Befristung einfach vorbei ist, genau, dann macht es eventuell auch das die die Arbeit im Netzwerk ein bisschen gezielter. Mhm. Weil man wei\u00df ja, man kann nicht einfach immer reinschnuppern. Andere Also es gibt Ich glaube, das ist auch das Sch\u00f6ne daran, dass es so mehrere Arten von Netzwerken gibt und man kann nat\u00fcrlich einige sind so wie Nex zum Beispiel, sind ein bisschen niedrigschwelliger. Man k\u00f6nnte auch jederzeit dabei sein und dann wieder nicht teilnehmen danach. Also es gibt was f\u00fcr f\u00fcr wirklich f\u00fcr alle. Ja, okay, aber manchmal kann eben eine Befristung auch Sinn machen, w\u00fcrdest Du sagen, jetzt als Ergebnis eurer. Gerade wenn das dann ein Netzwerk innerhalb 1, wenn man so will, 'n gr\u00f6\u00dferes Netzwerk ist, also wohl nichts als auch KGSt ganz besonders, sind ja noch mal gro\u00dfe Organisationen oder gro\u00dfe, bezeichnen wir sie mal als Netzwerk, die auch dann unterschiedliche Innovationszirkel haben und Innovationsnetzwerke dadrunter haben. Und wenn man dann in soner son Unternetzwerk aufl\u00f6st, dann sind die Leute ja nicht weg, ne. Dann k\u00f6nnen sie halt, wenn Du sagst, eigentlich Muss man sie sich wieder neu einfangen, 'n neues Netzwerk Ja. Aufzusetzen, sondern vielleicht da an Genau. Nicht Alumni, aber man hat sonen gr\u00f6\u00dferen Kontext, in dem die Leute dann immer noch rumschwimmen sozusagen Genau. Ne? Auch wenn sich jetzt das eine Netzwerk aufgel\u00f6st hat. Genau. Ja. Ja. Ja. Und dann tats\u00e4chlich also damit zusammenh\u00e4ngend ein wichtiger eine wichtige Auswirkung von Netzwerken ist auch, also diese dieser weitere Netzwerkeffekt, quasi das bilaterale und die laterale und auch so informelle Kontakte draus entstehen. Mhm. Dass man also es hei\u00dft ja nicht unbedingt, dass das Netzwerk komplett weg ist, sondern dass ja, dass das vielleicht informell sind, weitergelebt wird und vielleicht zwischen aus also zwischen Personen, die sich noch, wei\u00df ich nicht, noch sich unterst\u00fctzen m\u00f6chten. Ja. Ja, aber ich versuch mir das gerade son bisschen noch auf teilnehmenden Seite vorzustellen und bei diesen Kommunen, ne? Es kann ja sein, das ist schon eine kleine Kommune Mhm. Und ich bin vielleicht der einzige Mensch in meiner Gemeinde, der gerne agil arbeiten m\u00f6chte und alle anderen m\u00f6chten das dann kann's ja auch total sch\u00f6n sein wahrscheinlich, ne, son Netzwerk zu haben und da Gleichgesinnte zu treffen. Auf jeden Fall. Ich glaub, umso spezialisierter oder so, genau, also spezialisierter das Thema ist, desto wichtiger ist das tats\u00e4chlich. Also an Netzwerken teilzunehmen. Weil Du, wenn Du's wenn Du diese Kontakte nicht innerhalb der Organisationen hast, dann dann brauchst Du irgendwie schon Unterst\u00fctzung von au\u00dfen bekommen und einfach nur, Ideen gegenseitig validieren zu lassen, ein bisschen Feedback zu bekommen, so Herausforderungen gemeinsam zu besprechen, dann werden Netzwerke umso wichtiger. Ja. Ich glaube, das ist auch 1 der ersten Effekte, die sich dann auf der Haben Seite widerspiegeln. Also das merkt man ja sofort, wenn man da in seiner eigenen Aktion ganz einsam und alleine ist. Und wenigstens mal mit die man reden will, damit man sich sicher sein kann, dass man da vern\u00fcnftige Gedanken weiterentwickelt hat. Also das Feedback kriegt man ja sofort. Das ist 'n ganz wichtiger Aspekt. Ja. Und ich k\u00f6nnte mir vorstellen, dass das also speziell in der Verwaltung, also vielleicht jetzt weniger in der Start up Szene, aber dass das was ist, was in der Verwaltung durchaus vorkommt, weil wir da einfach in diesen 2 Geschwindigkeiten ja St\u00fcck weit noch leben, ne? Ja, auch in teilweise ja ganz spezialisierte, ausdifferenzierte Zust\u00e4ndigkeiten. Mhm. Also da in dem Paper steht ja auch, dass zum Beispiel Beschaffung nicht als das strategische Instrument wahrgenommen wird, was es eigentlich sei. Ist halt dann ist man f\u00fcr diesen Beschaffungsteil zust\u00e4ndig, alle anderen denken sich vielleicht, reine Formal. Kann ja nicht so schwer sein, das Druckerpapier immer wieder zu stellen. Solche Gedanken dazu kommen wir's besonders schwierig, genau. Aber erst mal, das ist ja auch irgendwie l\u00e4stig und so. Da muss man ja sehr viele Formalier erf\u00fcllen und ja, dann mit den spezifischen Problemen, die es da gibt und da gibt es unendlich viele, sich an Gleichgesinnte und \u00e4hnlich Arbeitende mit denen austauschen zu k\u00f6nnen, ist nat\u00fcrlich total wichtig. Ja, ja, das kann ich mir vorstellen, ja. Ihr habt jetzt diese ganzen Befragungen gemacht, Liadon. Kann man denn da was sagen wie dieses Netzwerk ist erfolgreich, dieses ist es nicht? Also kann man das \u00fcberhaupt irgendwo festmachen? Also gibt's wie so Erfolgskriterien? Wir haben bewusst keine Erfolgskriterien gelegt, weil wie gesagt, es ging nicht drum, sondern die die Netzwerke ja, als erfolgreich oder nicht erfolgreich zu zu bewerten oder sie miteinander zu zu zu messen zum Beispiel. Ziel des Papers war auch, ein bisschen Klarheit zu stellen quasi, wenn wenn es wenn ein Netzwerk so als genau Innovationsnetzwerk quasi eingestuft werden kann, dann was hat das denn f\u00fcr f\u00fcr Arbeitsweisen und erf\u00fcllt es dann \u00fcberhaupt diese also was f\u00fcr Innovationen werden erzeugt? Was sind dann die wichtigsten Effekte und so? Und das hat man dann gesehen, also zum Beispiel das Wissenstransfer, also laut der Befragung die wichtigste Innovationsform war. Knapp ein Drittel haben das ausgew\u00e4hlt. Also tats\u00e4chlich wirken dann alle Netzwerke, kann man, glaube ich, pauschal sagen, also die wir untersucht haben, als Erm\u00f6glicher der Innovation. Also die die setzen Rahmenbedingungen daf\u00fcr. Nat\u00fcrlich k\u00f6nnen die auch schwer selber dann verfolgen, dann wie die Innovationen wirklich umgesetzt werden in den verschiedenen Mitgliedorganisationen. Das w\u00e4r vielleicht ein Punkt, wo es vielleicht noch Potenzial g\u00e4be in der Zukunft, die die Teilnehmenden noch st\u00e4rker zu befragen und 'n bisschen Feedback zu bekommen, was die H\u00fcrden sind dann bei der \u00dcbertragung der Innovationen oder der Ergebnisse aus dem Netzwerk. Aber ich glaube, trotzdem kann man sagen, dass alle Netzwerke, also wenn sie Ziele haben, also dass die dass die diese erf\u00fcllen und die Teilnehmenden sind offensichtlich sehr zufrieden damit. Also das ist schon der wichtigste Erfolg wahrscheinlich. Und Du hast am Ende des White Papers auch so, ich glaub 5 Punkte sind's oder so was, ne? So eine Art Takeaway, wo man sich dann, wenn man selber 'n Netzwerk gr\u00fcnden will oder 1 schon hat, son bisschen angucken kann, ah Mensch, da k\u00f6nnt ich mal drauf achten und das w\u00e4r gut. Genau, zum also wir haben die Handlungsempfehlungen in in 2 aufgeteilt. Einmal f\u00fcr Netzwerke, also jetzt f\u00fcr auch f\u00fcr bestehende Netzwerke zum Beispiel oder auch f\u00fcr Teilnehmende an Netzwerken und andererseits f\u00fcr Verwaltungsorganisationen. Weil auf jeden Fall ja ein wichtiger, also die Rahmenbedingungen bei den Organisationen, also bei den Verwaltungen selber quasi, wo die wo die Teilnehmenden herkommen, es sind auch superwichtig f\u00fcr also quasi daf\u00fcr und sind wirklich entscheidend daf\u00fcr, ob und wie also Personen dann oder Verwaltungsbesch\u00e4ftigte an Netzwerken teilnehmen k\u00f6nnen. Und knapp, ich glaub, 60 Prozent der Befragten haben gesagt, sie bekommen ausreichend Unterst\u00fctzung von ihren F\u00fchrungskr\u00e4ften teilzunehmen. Aber das was ja nat\u00fcrlich auch super und erfreulich ist, aber andererseits hei\u00dft es trotzdem, dass 40 Prozent noch nicht ausreichend unterst\u00fctzt werden. Und vielleicht nehmen sie trotzdem teil, aber das hei\u00dft trotzdem, dass die Netzwerkarbeit nicht brechend priorisiert oder strategisch genutzt wird. Ja. Also da g\u00e4be es auch seitens der Verwaltungsorganisationen auf jeden Fall mehr Potenzial. Ja, das ist total interessant, ne? Dieses Weil die eine Frage ist ja, hab ich eine gute Zeit im Netzwerk und nehme ich da was mit? Und die 2. Frage ist ja, kann ich das dann auch umsetzen, da wo ich herkomme sozusagen, ne? Also diese Transmission ist ja 'n bisschen die Frage Genau. Die dann ja auch wieder sehr unterschiedlich schwierig ist. Ja, genau. Je nachdem, in welchem Bereich ich mich bewege. Wie k\u00f6nnte man das denn verbessern? Schweigen. Ich hab dich Mike angeguckt. Nein, die eine Seite ist sicherlich nat\u00fcrlich die die strategische Priorisierung. Also wenn man aus der Beh\u00f6rde heraus sich das ganz gezielt anguckt und dann halt Handlungsbedarf im Bereich Beschaffung oder im Bereich Agilit\u00e4t sieht und dann ganz gezielt Leute aussucht, die sich dann in diesem Netzwerk engagieren k\u00f6nnen und dann die Idee wieder mitbringen, sie anh\u00f6rt und dann halt auch \u00fcber die Organisation dann wieder reinspielt. Also \u00fcber die Leitung der Organisation im Zweifel wieder reinspielt. Das ist nat\u00fcrlich ein Punkt, der ganz wichtig ist, aber je nach Art der Innovation ist es, st\u00f6\u00dft man dann ja wieder an andere Grenzen. Also bei so Wissensvermittlung ist relativ einfach in Anf\u00fchrungszeichen. Und da kann ich ja dann Zusammenfassungen schreiben lassen, vielleicht intern dann noch mal die wesentlichen Ergebnisse pr\u00e4sentieren lassen oder was auch immer, das in die Organisation wieder reinzuspielen. Bei Prozessen wird's dann schon schwieriger. Mhm. Dann muss ich ja an meiner Arbeitsweise irgendwie was \u00e4ndern. Ist auch noch ganz gut vorstellbar, wenn es dann Produkteninnovationen geht. Also wenn ich zum Beispiel diese Gewaltwahrnehmung im \u00f6ffentlichen Raum, dann brauche ich die Technologie, dann muss ich das installieren. Da habe ich dann viel, viel h\u00f6here H\u00fcrden diese dieser Umsetzung. Aber ich denke schon, der Schl\u00fcssel ist erst mal Priorisierung der der Leitung, ganz gezielt das als Ressource zu machen. Also im Idealfall, um's jetzt noch mal zusammenzufassen, w\u00fcrde es dann vielleicht zulaufen, dass ich hab eine F\u00fchrungskraft, die F\u00fchrungskraft wei\u00df, welche Netzwerke es gibt. Sagt mir, die ich Beschaffung mache, geh doch mal dahin, das k\u00f6nnte spannend sein. Ich geborene dir 'n Tag frei sozusagen. Und wenn die dann zur\u00fcckkommt von dem von dem Treffen, dann sagt sie, Mensch spannend, erz\u00e4hl mal, was war da was ist da passiert? Aber es gibt ja auch den anderen Fall Das ist die Traumkonstellation. Genau. Also die aber die der andere Fall w\u00e4re, Netzwerk ist mein Privatvergn\u00fcgen. Ich hab das irgendwo mal geh\u00f6rt. Ich geh da hin und treff da vielleicht noch 'n Kollegen, der 3 T\u00fcren weitersitzt und wusste gar nicht, dass der auch in dem Netzwerk ist. Das gibt's auch, ne? Genau. Das das hat man auch gesehen aus ein paar Netzwerken. Genau, Dass es tats\u00e4chlich an interner Abstimmung manchmal mangelt, dass die Leute sich nicht absprechen, wer ist dann dabei aus der Organisation. Was auch vielleicht nicht schlecht ist, aber ich glaube, es w\u00e4r dann schon gut, dann ein bisschen mehr Transparenz reinzubringen und vielleicht auch bei der Dokumentation der Ergebnisse dann eben tats\u00e4chlich das Wissen, also wie Du jetzt quasi in diesem Beispiel erl\u00e4utert hast, das Wissen dann, das aus dem oder die Informationen, die aus dem Netzwerk kommen, dann mit 'nem Kollegen zu teilen im breitesten Sinne. Also das hei\u00dft, ich w\u00fcrde sagen, unser Netzwerkfazit ist, es gibt vieles da drau\u00dfen und man muss es gut nutzen. Man kann es noch besser nutzen. Man kann es noch besser nutzen. Genau. Man kann es noch besser nutzen. Und es lohnt sich. Es lohnt sich auf jeden Fall, ja. Das war unser Beitrag zum Wissenstransfer in Sachen Innovationsnetzwerke. Das Whitepaper Innovationsnetzwerke in der \u00f6ffentlichen Verwaltung finden Sie auf unserer Webseite \u00f6fid Punkt d e mit o e geschrieben. Ich danke meinen beiden G\u00e4sten, Liadon Sage, wissenschaftliche Mitarbeiterin am Kompetenzzentrum \u00f6ffentlicher IT und Mike Weber, stellvertretender Leiter des \u00f6fit. Mein Name ist Franziska Walser. 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Ich bin bei LinkedIn, im Elternchat des Fu\u00dfballvereins oder in meinem Journalistenverband. Manche dieser Netzwerke inspirieren mich, andere sind eher Mittel zum Zweck. In dieser Podcastfolge geht es eine besondere Art des Netzwerkes, und zwar Innovationsnetzwerke in der \u00f6ffentlichen Verwaltung. Hier sollen nicht nur Kontakte gekn\u00fcpft werden, sondern auch neue Prozesse oder Dienstleistungen entwickelt werden und es geht Wissensaustausch.\n\nWas erfolgreiche Innovationsnetzwerke ausmacht, dar\u00fcber sprechen wir heute hier bei ReStart digital. Mein Name ist Franziska Walser und bei mir im Studio sind Liadon Sage, wissenschaftliche Mitarbeiterin im Kompetenzzentrum \u00f6ffentlicher IT mit den Themenschwerpunkten innovativer Start und digitale Partizipation. Hallo, Liadon.\n\nSpeaker 1: Hallo Franziska.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und Doktor Mike Weber, Trendforscher und stellvertretender Leiter des \u00f6fid. Hallo, Mike.\n\nSpeaker 2: Hallo, Franziska.\n\nSpeaker 0: Erz\u00e4hlt mal ihr 2, in welchen Netzwerken seid ihr denn und wie profitiert ihr von Netzwerken?\n\nSpeaker 2: Wenn ihr mich das vor 'n paar Wochen gefragt h\u00e4ttet, h\u00e4tt ich wahrscheinlich gesagt, netzwerke ich doch \u00fcberhaupt gar nicht. Jetzt hat Leon f\u00fcr uns dankenswerterweise mal zusammengestellt, mit wem wir alles zusammenarbeiten in vom Kompetenz zur\u00fcck und beim \u00f6ffentlicher IT. Und da ist ein wahnsinnig gro\u00dfes Bild bei rausgekommen. Also wir arbeiten intensivsten und mit allen mit Organisationen aus allen Gesellschaftsbereichen zusammen, also Forschung nat\u00fcrlich klassischerweise \u00f6ffentlicher Sektor, aber auch Wirtschaft und Zivilgesellschaft. Das hat mir gezeigt, wie intensiv wir tats\u00e4chlich schon schon als Organisation vernetzt sind und dann nat\u00fcrlich auch in bestimmten eher formalisierteren Formen in anderen Netzwerken zusammenarbeiten.\n\nSpeaker 0: Okay, also das hei\u00dft, Du bist eingebunden, aber Du bist jetzt nicht irgendwo, wo Du 'n Mitgliedsantrag ausf\u00fcllen musstest und regelm\u00e4\u00dfig zu treffen gehst oder so was. Also die Art von Netzwerk nicht.\n\nSpeaker 2: Mitgliedsantr\u00e4gen, ich pers\u00f6nlich vereinzelt. Das ist ja das Sch\u00f6ne an Netzwerken. Das ist immer so unterschiedlich. Mhm. Also das ist sehr formal und die meisten sind ja offen und zeichnen sich ja grade durch diese Nicht Formalisierung aus.\n\nUnd ja, in der Tat, wenn wenn es darum geht, formale Mitgliedsantr\u00e4ge w\u00e4r dienstlich wahrscheinlich auch 'n gr\u00f6\u00dferer Verwaltungsakt bei Fraunhofer. M\u00fcssen wir das bringen? Nein. Aber das eher nicht. Aber nat\u00fcrlich dann einfach bei irgendwelchen Informationsveranstaltungen, zu denen man sich regelm\u00e4\u00dfig anmelden kann, da ist man ja schon halb im Netzwerk drin.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, das stimmt. Wie ist bei dir, Lira?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, ich w\u00fcrde auch mich da anschlie\u00dfen. Ich denke, bei den bei den meisten Netzwerken in der Verwaltung ist es eher eine Ausnahme, dass man formalisierte Antr\u00e4ge stellen muss. Und ich bin zum Beispiel also bei einigen, man kann so sich immer wieder reinschnuppern eigentlich in verschiedene Verwaltungsnetzwerke. Zum Beispiel die NEXT Communities sind besonders niedrigschwellig, w\u00fcrde ich sagen. Da gibt's auch zum Beispiel ein Women Up NEXT, die ich ganz spannend finde immer.\n\nUnd ja, also auch zum Beispiel die Piazza Konferenz hatten wir auch letztens bei \u00d6FITM gemeinsam mit unseren Partnern bei, also auch bei der beim Netz NEX Netzwerk bei der Gesellschaft f\u00fcr Informatik und mit der Open Knowledge Foundation veranstaltet. Und das ist auch immer ein so ein besonderes Format tats\u00e4chlich, das Leute aus Verwaltungs, Weggesellschaft und Wissenschaft zusammenbringen soll. Und genau, also warum ich dann teilnehme immer so ein, also wie Du wie Du gefragt hast. Ich finde, f\u00fcr mich gibt's immer so wirklich Mehrwert dabei zu sein und so neue Ideen zu h\u00f6ren, die vielleicht noch nicht bei mir also bei mir angekommen waren, sondern ein bisschen Inspiration f\u00fcr die f\u00fcr die Arbeit zu bekommen und auch sich einfach ja beruflich zu vernetzen. Vor allem als junge Frau, also auch relativ neu in diesem Feld, w\u00fcrde ich sagen, also Digitalisierung des \u00f6ffentlichen Sektors, dann ja, es gibt auch wirklich eine gute Auswahl.\n\nAlso ich glaub, ja, das DAX Netzwerk hatte eine Liste zusammengestellt, da dabei waren 76 Netzwerke.\n\nSpeaker 0: Da hab ich gestaunt. Genau, das hab ich gelesen in dem Whitepaper, dass es 76 Netzwerke sind. Das ist schon fast 'n bisschen Qual der Wahl. Mhm. Wie sch\u00e4tzt ihr's denn ein?\n\nEs gab ja auch son bisschen polemisch den Vorwurf des Netzwerk Gewirs. Also sind es vielleicht sogar schon fast zu viele Netzwerke, den \u00dcberblick zu behalten?\n\nSpeaker 1: Es kann manchmal, ja, wie Du sagst, Qual der Wahl sein. Also f\u00fcr Verwaltungsmitarbeitende, vor allem mit wahrscheinlich weniger Zeit, also weniger Zeitressourcen, Da muss man sich tats\u00e4chlich entscheiden. Aber ich w\u00fcrde sagen, die meisten Netzwerke haben auch einen klaren thematischen Schwerpunkt.\n\nSpeaker 0: Mhm.\n\nSpeaker 1: Und entsprechend kann man sich halt entscheiden, wo bringt es mir etwas, also dabei zu sein und wo brauche ich vielleicht bisschen, ja, Unterst\u00fctzung bei der L\u00f6sung 1 Herausforderung, die ich gerade habe? Genau, kann man sich entscheiden, nat\u00fcrlich ich Aber nat\u00fcrlich gibt's auch so ein bisschen Kritik, dass man vielleicht einige Netzwerke doch 'n bisschen zusammenstellen oder quasi wissen, ja, dass es doch 'n bisschen mehr Konstellation braucht oder 'n bisschen mehr Zusammenf\u00fchrung, einige Netzwerke, ja.\n\nSpeaker 2: Wobei es ja eigentlich faszinierend ist, ne? Dann spricht man immer von Netzwerkeffekten, das ist alles zum gr\u00f6\u00dferen Netzwerk konvergiert und offenbar funktioniert das in der Verwaltung nicht so ganz hundertprozentig. Aber ich will das auch so sehen, dass in erster Linie thematisch getrieben ist.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja und wie zum Beispiel Beispiele, also jetzt f\u00fcr, ich wei\u00df, es gibt f\u00fcr die Vergabe zum Beispiel 'n Netzwerk einzeln. Also was w\u00e4ren so Beispiele f\u00fcr so sehr spezifische Netzwerke, die es da gibt?\n\nSpeaker 2: Lustigerweise gab's f\u00fcr den Bereich Beschaffungeinkauf, \u00f6ffentlicher Einkauf ja tats\u00e4chlich 2 Netzwerke.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ach so. Ah. Und da\n\nSpeaker 2: hat sich dann 1, sagen wir neu fokussiert, neu ausgerichtet. Mhm. Und das ist dann ja auch, wenn man so will, 'n guter Marktmechanismus, wenn sich 1 von den beiden durchsetzt, dann w\u00fcrde ich jetzt mal so interpretieren.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Und was ist aus eurer Sicht, was braucht 'n gutes Netzwerk, zu funktionieren? Also wir haben schon gesagt, jetzt klarer Fokus ist was, was gut ist. Was braucht's noch?\n\nSpeaker 2: Die gro\u00dfe Herausforderung, so ganz allgemein und auf 'ner hohen \u00dcberflug h\u00f6her Die gro\u00dfe Herausforderung bei Netzwerken ist ja immer, ich muss irgendwas investieren und das, was ich zur\u00fcckkriege, ist nicht so eindeutig. Mhm. Also wenn ich irgendwas einkaufe, dann kriege ich das Produkt zur\u00fcck oder die Dienstleistung oder was auch immer, dann ist die Gegenleistung immer vollkommen klar. Das ist bei Netzwerken nicht immer so eindeutig. Also es kann nat\u00fcrlich sein, dass ich irgendwo zum Netzwerktreffen gehe und v\u00f6llig beseelt bin und denke, oh toll, da muss ich immer wieder hin.\n\nVielleicht dann doch eher die Ausnahme. Also ich muss investieren und wei\u00df noch nicht so ganz genau, was ich dabei rauskriege.\n\nSpeaker 0: Also ich investier Zeit, ich investier vielleicht auch Aufwand in, ich fuchs mich da ein in die Online Foren oder ne, die haben ja auch ganz verschiedene Plattformen, diese Netzwerke. Das ist mein Invest sozusagen.\n\nSpeaker 2: In erster Linie Zeit. Mhm. Oder wenn ich meinen Impuls gebe, dann nat\u00fcrlich noch 'n bisschen mehr Zeit und Ja. Vernit\u00e4rliche Arbeit, die ich da leisten muss. Ja und dementsprechend ist es h\u00e4ufig so, dass Netzwerke dann Fr\u00fcher h\u00e4tte man gesagt, 'n K\u00fcmmerer brauchen.\n\nAlso irgendetwas, entweder eine Organisation, die das tr\u00e4gt oder aber jemand, der ganz gezielt und dann auch f\u00fcr die Sache brennt und das vorantreibt. Das ist immer sehr hilfreich, dann auch son bisschen so diese diese kritische Phase, krieg ich jetzt zur\u00fcck, was ich investiert habe, son bisschen zu \u00fcberbr\u00fccken.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ah, ist spannend. Okay und dann diese K\u00fcmmerer w\u00fcrden dann so was sagen wie zum Beispiel, bei unserem n\u00e4chsten Treffen geht es mag mal jemanden 'n Impuls dazuschreiben? Also weil man sonst einfach so reinrutscht in dieses stammtischartige, dann alle sind da und was machen wir jetzt sozusagen? Es ist also jetzt 'n bisschen zugespitzt, aber ist es so?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, es ist auf jeden Fall ganz wichtig, dass es ein auch eine Erkenntnis aus aus unserer Studie jetzt, dass es auf jeden Fall so eine 1 starke Themensetzung braucht in dem Netzwerk. Es braucht auch eine inhaltliche Gestaltung und das erfolgt meistens in den meisten Netzwerken oder jedenfalls die bei denen, die wir untersucht haben, auch durch die koordinierende Organisation, dass jemand wirklich so quasi sich darum k\u00fcmmert, ja, ein Programm auf zu also zu f\u00fcllen zu f\u00fcllen, auch son bisschen die die Impulse von au\u00dfen vielleicht zu suchen oder eben vom von innerhalb des Netzwerks, ist nat\u00fcrlich auch m\u00f6glich. Aber genau, dass dass die Leute dann reinkommen und nicht erst mal da leer, also quasi ohne Programm da oder ohne Themen zum Beispiel, wenn man eben Kleingruppen arbeiten oder Speeddating macht zum Beispiel, dass es auch ganz konkrete Themen gibt, weil sonst ja kann es auch ins Leere oder kann k\u00f6nnen viele Leute verloren gehen auf jeden Fall. Genau und aber das kann nat\u00fcrlich auch so auch st\u00e4rker vielleicht durch die Teilnehmenden erfolgen auch, dass die wirklich auch Impulse selbst mitbringen und Ideen und sagen, ja, das k\u00f6nnte ich als Best Practice zum Beispiel mit der Gruppe teilen oder genau, also dass dass man auch auf jeden Fall als Koordinator, also Koordinator oder Koordinatorin st\u00e4rker vielleicht Impulse von den Teilnehmenden sucht.\n\nSpeaker 0: Dass die wirklich auch in der Aktivit\u00e4t kommen und dazu beitragen und eben mehr als nur, ich bin hier, ich opfere meine Zeit, sondern vielleicht auch, ich geborene euch Input.\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau, ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: Dass die in sone Haltung mehr kommen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Dass sie sich auch sehen, also dass Teilnehmende sich auch sehen dann als Mitgestalter des Netzwerks und nicht nur als massive irgendwie Beobachter oder so, dass die ihr Wissen mitnehmen, aber vielleicht also damit's wirklich anschlussnah ist, also quasi praxisnah f\u00fcr die f\u00fcr die auch f\u00fcr die Teilnehmenden ist. Also damit m\u00fcssen sie halt auch 'n bisschen einem was einbringen. Ja.\n\nSpeaker 2: Kann sich auch tot k\u00fcmmern, ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und wie wie ist so eure Erfahrungen mit online versus offline? Also hat sich nat\u00fcrlich doch Corona zuletzt auch viel online verlagert, aber braucht's Pr\u00e4senztreffen f\u00fcr 'n funktionierendes Netzwerk oder muss gar nicht?\n\nSpeaker 2: Ich bin da 'n bisschen hin- und hergerissen. Also es geht nat\u00fcrlich sehr, sehr viel online und gerade auch dadurch, dass wir, also hier unser Format Piazza zum Beispiel machen wir ganz bewusst online, die die die Teilnahmeschwelle m\u00f6glichst niedrig zu halten. Und das ist nat\u00fcrlich, grad wenn man ortsvereilte Netzwerke hat oder das in den Arbeitsalltag integrieren m\u00f6chte, ist es nat\u00fcrlich 'n ganz wichtiger Punkt. Also deswegen w\u00fcrd ich sagen, Standard ist mittlerweile online. Es kann nat\u00fcrlich nicht schaden, je nachdem, auch wieder wenn man 'n konkretes Ziel hat, konkretes Projekt bearbeiten m\u00f6chte, dann ist es nat\u00fcrlich immer sehr, sehr hilfreich, wenn man sich auch mal pers\u00f6nlich sieht und dann trifft.\n\nAlso ich w\u00fcrde sagen, je nach Art des Netzwerkes kann sich die Mischung unterscheiden, aber Primat eindeutig online mittlerweile.\n\nSpeaker 0: K\u00f6nnt ihr mal kurz zu dem Piazza, das hattet ihr jetzt zweimal schon erw\u00e4hnt, was genau passiert da?\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau, also das ist so ein Workshopkonfer Eine Workshopkonference. Wir machen dann jedes Jahr, also tats\u00e4chlich jetzt hat's im November stattgefunden zum f\u00fcnften Mal und da gibt's immer mehrere Parallelworkshops. Wir machen quasi eine 1 offenes Verfahren, also genau, dass das Personen aus Verwaltungs, Zivilgesellschaft und Wissenschaft vor allem Workshop Ideen einreichen k\u00f6nnen und dann machen wir ein Auswahlverfahren und gemeinsam in diesem Tr\u00e4gerkreis, die Partner hatte ich vorhin bereits erw\u00e4hnt und suchen wir dann quasi die die aktuellsten oder die vielversprechendsten Konzepte aus. Und dann begleiten wir dann diese diese Organisationen \u00fcber in diesen in den 3 Sektoren. Und genau setzen dann die Workshops technisch wie meinte das genau das findet seit 5 Jahren tats\u00e4chlich digital statt, auch weil eine Erkenntnis aus den letzten Jahren ist, dass viele Verwaltungen aus Kommunen auch ganz oft\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, es\n\nSpeaker 0: ist einfach sehr dezentral, ne? Man hat dann viel Anreise Genau. Wenn man das machen w\u00fcrde vor Ort.\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau, es w\u00e4re fast unm\u00f6glich, jetzt das Konzept so umzusetzen, wenn wir es wirklich vor Ort Also wir haben nat\u00fcrlich auch \u00fcberlegt, also Hybrid zu machen oder so, aber schlie\u00dflich hat sich das digitale Format im Falle der Piazza gut bew\u00e4hrt. Mhm.\n\nSpeaker 0: Jetzt ist das Whitepaper, was uns zu diesem Podcast inspiriert hat, was Du geschrieben hast, Diadon, da geht's Innovationsnetzwerke. Wie unterscheidet sich denn 'n Innovationsnetzwerk von einem, wei\u00df ich nicht, allgemeinen Netzwerk? Also was macht das aus sozusagen, ne? Warum steht da Innovation davor?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, das ist das ist tats\u00e4chlich die Schl\u00fcsselfrage, genau. Ja, also Netzwerke haben wir jetzt besprochen, haben wir festgestellt, sind ja sehr wichtig in der Verwaltung und aber sie sollen ja mehr als nur eine Plattform sein f\u00fcr den informellen Austausch. Also mit mit dem Begriff Innovationsnetzwerk wollen wir wirklich einen Schwerpunkt drauflegen, dass sie auch, dass diese Netzwerke auch als strategisches Instrument genutzt werden k\u00f6nnen von der Verwaltung, gerade wirklich so ihre Handlungsf\u00e4higkeit und Leistungsf\u00e4higkeit zu, also genau, zu sichern und weiterzuentwickeln. Also es geht, es war auch ein bisschen ein Prozess jetzt im im Laufe der Studie. Es geht wirklich nicht nur darum, Produkte oder so zu zu Was\n\nSpeaker 0: ja das 1. Ist, was man bei Innovationen denkt, ne, dass da wirklich neue Anwendungen bei rumkommen Ja. Aber es ist breiter gedacht.\n\nSpeaker 1: Es ist auf jeden Fall breiter gedacht. Ja, Innovation in diesem Kontext, also gerade im Kontext des \u00f6ffentlichen Sektors kann ja, wie Du bereits eingangs erw\u00e4hnt hast, Dienstleistungen bedeuten, also quasi Verfahren, neue oder verbesserte Verfahren, Produkte, auch Ma\u00dfnahmen, die \u00f6ffentlichen Mehrwert schaffen. Das kann ja einiges umfassen auf jeden Fall. Und wir haben bewusst auch diese Definition den Wissenstransfer erg\u00e4nzt f\u00fcr die Studie, weil wir eben auch anerkennen, dass Wissen und Wissenstransfer sehr wichtig ist von f\u00fcr Netzwerke in der \u00f6ffentlichen Verwaltung.\n\nSpeaker 0: Mhm. Und es gibt aber schon also diese Netzwerke, diese 76, \u00fcber die wir hier gesprochen haben, 'n Teil davon ist auch schon Innovationsnetzwerke, w\u00fcrdet ihr sagen, ne. Also die gibt's schon, die m\u00fcssen nicht neu erfunden werden.\n\nSpeaker 1: Nein, nein. Die die klassifizieren sich vielleicht nicht selber als als Innovationsnetzwerk. Deswegen der Begriff erscheint vielleicht ein bisschen neu, aber ist tats\u00e4chlich schon bekannt in der Wissenschaft. Es gibt zum Beispiel auch den Begriff Public Service Innovation Networks international, also quasi eben Innovationsnetzwerke f\u00fcr \u00f6ffentliche Dienstleistungen, die dann besonders innovativ gestaltet werden sollen. Wir hatten dann auch in den Interviews mit den Netzwerkkoordinatorinnen gefragt, ja und seht ihr euch eigentlich, das ist eine Innovationsnetzwerke?\n\nUnd f\u00fcr die meisten war das eine neue Frage, die sich vielleicht noch nicht gestellt hatten, aber die Antwort war dann meistens, ja, wir sind eigentlich innovativ. Also wir wir unsere Methoden oder unsere Ans\u00e4tze oder letztendlich auch die Ergebnisse, die wir erzielen, sind quasi fallen unter diesem Begriff.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und Mike, vielleicht warum ist es wichtig, das so neu zu definieren und zu sagen, da findet\n\nSpeaker 1: Innovation statt? Geht's da auch darum,\n\nSpeaker 0: dass die Verwaltungen dann, da auch darum, dass die Verwaltungen dann quasi ihre Leute freistellen, zum Beispiel, da teilzunehmen? Also geht's darum, diesen Stellenwert 'n bisschen h\u00f6her zu h\u00e4ngen?\n\nSpeaker 2: Mhm. Das ist da der quasi in der Wirkung nach hinten raus f\u00fcr die Organisation 'n ganz wichtiger Aspekt, die auch die M\u00f6glichkeiten zu geben, dass sich die Leute daran beteiligen k\u00f6nnen. M\u00f6chte noch mal von 'ner anderen Seite kommen, von 'ner Innovationsseite. Es gibt ja diesen wunderbaren Satz, Innovationen entstehen dann Grenzen. Also sprich, wenn man in seiner Organisation hockt, zusammen hockt, dann ist es unheimlich schwierig, neue Ideen und funktioniert auch.\n\nWir sind ja auch 'n kreativer Verein, aber es ist relativ schwieriger, neue Ideen zu produzieren. Und es ist viel leichter, mal \u00fcber den Tellerrand zu gucken und da mal zu gucken, wie machen's denn die anderen? Und dadurch Ideen f\u00fcr Innovationen zu bekommen. Und das ist nat\u00fcrlich die klassische Funktion 1 Netzwerkes, \u00fcber den Tellerrand zu gucken. Ob das jetzt eine \u00e4hnliche Organisation ist, die nur woanders was \u00c4hnliches macht oder auch eine ganz andere Organisation, die ganz anders aufgestellt ist, Und daraus zu lernen, also klassischerweise Agilit\u00e4t haben wir ja auch ein Beispiel in der Studie drin.\n\nDas ist so ein 1 Punkt, der auch organisations\u00fcbergreifend sehr gut adaptierbar und Ja. Abernehmbar ist. Deswegen ist dieses Innovative im Netzwerk schon so halb mit drin.\n\nSpeaker 0: Dadurch darf ich eben diese Grenzen \u00fcberschreiten.\n\nSpeaker 2: Genau, genau. Und jetzt halt noch mal den besonderen Fokus darauf zu lenken, na ja, was kommt denn auch an Innovativen hinten raus bei diesen Netzwerken? Das ist, glaube ich, auch, wenn ich richtig verstanden habe, gerade auch f\u00fcr die Netzwerke noch mal 'n sch\u00f6ner Lerneffekt, dass sie sehen, ja, es passiert tats\u00e4chlich was und da kommt tats\u00e4chlich was hinten raus.\n\nSpeaker 0: Wir bringen nicht nur Menschen zusammen, sondern wir produzieren was am Ende.\n\nSpeaker 2: Genau. Genau. Genau. Und das ist dann, haben wir auch schon gesagt, in erster Linie ja, weil konzentriert sich nat\u00fcrlich eher auf Prozessinnovationen als auf Produkteinnovationen. Und da das ist dann auch wieder ein Argument und jetzt sind wir wieder am Anfang deiner Frage, das ist dann auch wieder 'n Argument zu zeigen, hier guck mal, dieses Netzwerk funktioniert, da kommt richtig was raus, da haben wir was gelernt, was umgesetzt und deswegen m\u00fcssen wir da strategisch priorisieren.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Und dieses auch dieser Punkt, den Du am Anfang genannt hast, ne? Ich geh in 'n Netzwerk rein, investier was und wei\u00df nicht so richtig, was ich bei rauskomme. Da wei\u00df man dann auch, da kommt Innovation raus im besten Fall sozusagen, ja.\n\nSpeaker 2: Genau, das sind sch\u00f6ne Beispiele jetzt.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, genau Beispiel ist 'n gutes Stichwort. Ihr habt ja ja nicht alle \u00fcber 70 Netzwerke untersucht, sondern ihr habt 5 Netzwerke ausgew\u00e4hlt. Mhm. K\u00f6nnt ihr mal kurz erkl\u00e4ren, warum oder Leadon Du, warum Du die ausgew\u00e4hlt hast? Genau diese 5.\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau, also wir hatten einen Workshop auch wieder, Stichwort Piazza, auf der Piazza Konferenz letztes Jahr gemeinsam mit dem NEX Netzwerk und hatten dann eine so eine Liste zusammengetragen tats\u00e4chlich gemeinsam mit den Workshopteilnehmenden aus genau das die waren auch selbst Experten in verschiedenen Netzwerken drin in und f\u00fcr die Verwaltung. Genau und haben dann daraus quasi aus diese Liste dann diese 5 Beispiele gezogen. Und also wie wir ja, bestimmt werden wir das gleich besprechen. Also man merkt, die haben sehr unterschiedliche Themenschwerpunkte, auch sehr unterschiedliche Formate, Herangehensweisen, auch so Ans\u00e4tze. Und das war auch ein Kriterium f\u00fcr uns, dass wir auf jeden Fall den Kontrast haben, so m\u00f6glichst viele also quasi ja verschiedene Good Practices dann einsammeln k\u00f6nnen.\n\nUnd von also nat\u00fcrlich das Hauptkriterium war, dass die Netzwerke vorher f\u00fcr uns von au\u00dfen mindestens so als Innovationsnetzwerk eingestuft werden konnten. Dass die irgendwie was innovatives machen, also dass die zum Beispiel genau Innovationen als Ziel oder als Ergebnis erzielen und genau auf diese Basis haben wir dann die 5 ausgew\u00e4hlt.\n\nSpeaker 0: Also ist kein Best of, sondern ihr habt einfach sehr auf Verschiedenheit eher geguckt, ne? Man Genau.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, zum Beispiel auch kommunal, also Lande, Bundesebene, also dass die sehr unterschiedlich agieren.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. K\u00f6nnen k\u00f6nntest Du einmal alle 5 nennen? Also wir werden nicht alle 5 vertiefen k\u00f6nnen, aber einfach, damit wir's mal geh\u00f6rt haben.\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau, ja gerne. Also die das deutsche Vergabenetzwerk, die Kerncommunity, der KGSt Innovations Circle in Agilit\u00e4t in der Kommunalverwaltung, die Next Community Wissensmanagement und der KI Campus der Polizei. Mhm. Waren die 5 Netzwerke.\n\nSpeaker 0: Okay. Und vielleicht, wenn wir uns jetzt mal diesen KI Campus der Polizei Mhm. Rausgreifen, weil es klingt so sehr konkret, da w\u00e4r bin ich nat\u00fcrlich gleich interessiert. Mhm. Wie findet denn da zum Beispiel Innovation statt?\n\nK\u00f6nnt ihr da mal son Beispiel nennen, wie das Netzwerk Also was da schon rausgekommen ist, sag ich jetzt mal.\n\nSpeaker 2: Das Sch\u00f6ne an dem Beispiel ist, dass es ja auch schon, wie soll man sagen, ergebnis- und zielorientiert arbeitet, dieses Netzwerk. Also es hat zwar einen Teil, der sehr breit aufgestellt ist und zu Wissensvermittlung und sonst was dient, aber auch einen Teil, wo's ganz konkrete Projekte geht. Und da 'n Kollege von uns hat unter anderem an einem Projekt mitgearbeitet, wo es Gewalterkennung im \u00f6ffentlichen Raum geht. Mhm. Und da Stichwort Video\u00fcberwachung, wo wo wo dann alle Alarmglocken bei einigen Menschen angehen.\n\nAlso wie schafft man es, ein 1 technisches System zu konstruieren, das Gewalt im \u00f6ffentlichen Raum erkennt, ohne allzu tief in Pers\u00f6nlichkeitsrechte einzugreifen? Also ohne den Raum komplett mit Kameras zu bewachen, was die Standardl\u00f6sung gewesen w\u00e4re. Und dann in diesem Netzwerk sind dann halt ganz unterschiedliche Sichtweisen zusammengekommen und dann haben wir auch sehr stark eine ethische Sichtweise auf diese Fragestellungen, ethisch aus 'ner Technikgestaltungsperspektive. Und haben dann langsam und sicher diese L\u00f6sung immer weiterentwickelt. Und das, was jetzt rausgekommen ist, ist, wenn ich das richtig verstanden habe, eine Radar\u00fcberwachung oder so was.\n\nTechnisch technisch bin ich nicht so sehr drin. Aber auf jeden Fall ein 1 Form der \u00dcberwachung, wo ich halt eben nicht diese Kameras brauche, sondern andere Instrumente einsetzen kann, wo ich halt nicht permanent alle beobachten muss, aber trotzdem noch diese Gewalterkennung durchf\u00fchren kann. Und genau diese diese dieses Feintuning der Technologie, das ist in diesem Netzwerk passiert.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und hier, da einfach noch mal zu zu den Praktikabilit\u00e4ten. Also dieses Netzwerk, KI Netzwerk der Polizei, wer kommt denn da zusammen?\n\nSpeaker 1: Das Netzwerk zielt in erster Linie oder ist aus ausgerichtet auf die 4 Bundespolizeien und dann die also die Polizeien der der L\u00e4nder. Genau und es wird organisiert vom vom Programm P20 im Bundesinnenministerium. Ich glaub, gemeinsam auch mit dem Bundeskriminalamt und der CDS.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und was was haben die richtig gemacht, sozusagen zu diesem Ergebnis zu kommen? Also ihr guckt ja eben, wie Du gesagt hast, nach Best Practices. Mhm. Was w\u00e4ren da Best Practices, Practices, die man mitnehmen k\u00f6nnte aus diesem Netzwerk? Mhm.\n\nSpeaker 1: Also ich glaub, die Marcus angesprochen hat auf jeden Fall die zusammen also die Zusammenf\u00fchrung von Expertinnen aus verschiedenen Bereichen. Also jetzt gerade, wenn's die aditsue Technikgestaltung geht, dann mussten nat\u00fcrlich zwangsl\u00e4ufig au\u00dferhalb auch der der der Polizeien auch so Experten aus Wissenschaft und Zivilgesellschaft zusammenkommen. Ich glaub, dieser offene Ansatz ist auf jeden Fall 'n wichtiger Punkt beim KI Campus der Polizei. Auch die nutzen nat\u00fcrlich auch so unterschiedliche Formate, Pr\u00e4senz und online und genau. Also ich glaub, die sind einfach besonders offen, aber die Zielgruppe ist klar und auch dieses Projekt war auch nat\u00fcrlich gut, also thematisch klar definiert, also nicht zu breit aufgestellt.\n\nUnd genau, also auf jeden Fall diese Synergie mit der Wissenschaft ist was Besonderes, glaube ich, in diesem Kontext. Ja. Ja und noch ein Beispiel zum Beispiel, also weil es ja mehrmals genannt w\u00fcrde in der Befragung, die wir unter den Teilnehmenden des Netzwerks durchgef\u00fchrt haben, auch die haben zum Beispiel eine KI Anwendungslandkarte auch erstellt, also wo quasi die dann die bestehenden KI Anwendungsf\u00e4lle von den verschiedenen Polizeien in Deutschland dann zusammengetragen w\u00fcrden und quasi auf 1 Landkarte visualisiert werden. Und das ist auch, das w\u00e4r auch noch so ein Produkt, das eigentlich ja auch als Innovation gekennzeichnet also bezeichnet werden kann, weil es ja auch was Neues ist, was ja eine \u00dcbersicht gibt \u00fcber \u00fcber bestehende F\u00e4lle.\n\nSpeaker 0: Total, also wo einfach Wissen eingesammelt wurde von Menschen in dem Netzwerk und sichtbar gemacht wurde\n\nSpeaker 1: sozusagen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Genau. Mhm. Genau, noch mal kurz zu der Methodik in dem Whitepaper. Du hast ja sowohl Teilnehmende befragt im Netzwerk als auch die Organisatoren, soweit sie die gibt, ne? Genau.\n\nAlso das hei\u00dft, es gibt auch richtig son Erkenntnisse dar\u00fcber, wie zufrieden sind die mit dem Netzwerk letztendlich, ne? Mhm. Genau. Das stimmt, ja. Sind die, also spiegelt sich das da auch wieder in in diesem Fall mit dem KI Netzwerk?\n\nAlso dass die auch das Gef\u00fchl haben, hey, ich hab da meine Zeit sinnvoll investiert?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, auf jeden Fall. Das konnte man gut. Also wir haben nat\u00fcrlich auch jetzt im Paper kein kein Netzwerkvergleich gemacht, also wie zufrieden sind jetzt die die Teilnehmenden der verschiedenen Netzwerke. Mhm. Aber trotzdem, doch man hat es klar an an allen Netzwerken tats\u00e4chlich gesehen, dass es einen klaren Mehrwert gibt f\u00fcr alle Teilnehmenden.\n\nWirklich ein Gro\u00dfteil haben gesagt, ja, f\u00fcr mich, f\u00fcr meine Arbeit gibt's wirklich Mehrwert an also bei der Teilnahme und auch haben sie das Netzwerk, also ich glaub 3 2 Drittel haben die Netzwerke jeweils als innovativ betrachtet. Also auf jeden Fall ist das ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und war da auch das der Fall, was wir gerade besprochen haben, also dass die Leute auch in so 'ner aktiven Rolle sind? Also dass sie das Gef\u00fchl haben, hey, ich kann dieses Netzwerk gestalten, ich kann Themen setzen. Mhm. Also war das da auch der Fall oder vielleicht auch in 'nem anderen Netzwerk st\u00e4rker, was Du untersucht hast?\n\nSpeaker 1: Es ist also Du sprichst gerade tats\u00e4chlich auch eine Herausforderung an f\u00fcr also f\u00fcr die Netzwerkgestalt, also f\u00fcr die Netzwerkkoordinatorinnen, denke ich, weil ja, also zum Beispiel im KGST Innovationszirkel, das also das besch\u00e4ftigt sich ja mit Agilit\u00e4t. Also vielleicht vom Thema her ist es sowieso sehr gut an sich, auch agil nat\u00fcrlich und praktiziert viele auch agile Methoden, auch im Netzwerk. Aber trotzdem, also man hat wirklich gemerkt, dass diese die Netzwerkkoordinatorin hat sich von Anfang an als quasi als Mitglied des Netzwerks auch irgendwie diese Rolle dann klar definiert und\n\nSpeaker 0: Also nicht so hierarchisch, nicht ich bin Genau. Und ihr seid das Netzwerk Ja. Sondern sie ist einfach ein Punkt in diesem Netzwerk.\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau und die ist ein Teil davon Ja. Und das hei\u00dft auch, dass die nicht also dass diese Erwartung, also Erwartungsmanagement ist wahrscheinlich so das wichtige Stichwort dazu, dass man am Anfang klarstellt, ja, ich werde nicht jetzt die ganzen Inhalte f\u00fcr euch dann bespielen, sondern ihr m\u00fcsst auch selber mit Ideen reinkommen und ich werde dann halt auch teilweise nat\u00fcrlich so Inhalte mitbringen, aber nicht nur. Also das ist, glaube ich, auch bei der Koordination dann ein wichtiger Punkt. Ja.\n\nSpeaker 2: In dem Paper ist ja auch diese wunderbare Einteilung von chaotisch bis zu projekt bezogen, glaub ich, geht die Skala.\n\nSpeaker 0: Genau, es gibt sone wie sone Netzwerkklassifizierung, ne? Von Genau. Ich hab mir Genau. Klar. Darm gemerkt zum Beispiel, ne?\n\nDa gibt's Namen f\u00fcr verschiedene Netzwerkorganisationen.\n\nSpeaker 2: Genau. Und je nachdem, auf auf auf, wenn es jetzt ist, es ist 'n bisschen vereinfacht, wenn man's als einfache Skala betrachtet, aber wenn man von chaotisch bis zu projektorientiert, ist nat\u00fcrlich auch der die Notwendigkeit der Steuerung eine ganz andere. Also ich will jetzt keinesfalls chaotisch bezeichnen, aber da ist es nat\u00fcrlich von von 'ner Struktur vom Erwartungsmanagement schon ganz anders, dass die Leute sich einbringen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, genau. So. Also da es w\u00e4ren wie so 2 Pole, ne? Also dieses KI Netzwerk der Polizei relativ klar strukturiert, wir wollen hier das und das untersuchen und das andere 'n bisschen freier, dieses KGSt agiles Arbeiten.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, das k\u00f6nnte man vielleicht so sagen. Ja. Ja. Ja, es geht auch ein bisschen Ich glaub, wir haben das auch vorhin gesagt, zentrale oder dezentrale Steuerung und entsprechende Ergebnisse auch.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ich versuch mir da gerade, weil das ist ja dieses kommunale Netzwerk, das sind ja einfach wirklich potenziell sehr, sehr viele Menschen, die daran teilnehmen k\u00f6nnten.\n\nSpeaker 1: Mhm.\n\nSpeaker 0: Wie machen die denn da eine Auswahl?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, also im Falle der des HGST Innovations Circles tats\u00e4chlich gab's so viel Interesse. Also die hatten das, glaub ich, auch selber nicht erwartet, weil es meistens nicht notwendig ist, so einen Antrag stellen zu m\u00fcssen f\u00fcr die Teilnahme. Aber in diesem Fall m\u00fcssten sie so einen kurzen, ja, Netzwerkteilnehmenden wirklich auch Fachexpertise mitbringen. Nicht nur Interessierte sind, sondern wirklich auch selber im Thema im Thema drin sind und sich auskennen. Und andererseits hat's auch ein bisschen mehr Verbindlichkeit geschaffen, glaube ich.\n\nMhm. Also ist mein Eindruck, weil es gibt ja auch mehrere, also ist tats\u00e4chlich auch zeitlich befristet, diese dieses Netzwerk, also Noah auf 2 Jahre. Das hei\u00dft, die Treffen werden von Anfang an so mehr oder weniger definiert, so wann wir uns wo wo treffen und dann muss muss dann eben die Personen dabei sein und es gibt auch keine stille Teilhabeschaft. Man kann nicht passiv dabei sein und manche Treffen verpassen, sondern man muss wirklich auch aktiv dabei sein.\n\nSpeaker 0: Okay. Ja, ja, das ist nat\u00fcrlich eine gro\u00dfe Verbindlichkeit, aber ist wahrscheinlich auch gut, ne, dass man nicht so bei diesen vielen, vielen M\u00f6glichkeiten, die man hat, nicht so, ah, dann geh ich doch lieber zu dem Netzwerk, sondern da sind die so Ja. Bisschen\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, das stimmt. Ja. Ja. Vor allem, wenn man wei\u00df, dass es noch f\u00fcr 2 Jahre ist, dann kann man sich, glaube ich, verpflichten und vielleicht nach 2 Jahren das n\u00e4chste Netzwerk dann angucken. Ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: Also, ja. Okay. Aber auch schade eigentlich, dass das so befristet ist. Waren da mehrere Netzwerke so befristet? Weil das braucht ja wirklich eigentlich lange, sowas in Gang zu bringen und aufzubauen.\n\nUnd eigentlich ist es ja nicht die Idee, dass man so dann quasi wieder zerrei\u00dft nach so 'ner kurzen Zeit.\n\nSpeaker 1: Na ja, also im Falle der KGST Innovationszirkel, die sind alle auf 2 Jahre befristet, au\u00dfer es gibt dann explizit Willen, aus der Gruppe dann weiterzumachen. Und da m\u00fcsste es aber einen klaren Auftrag geben, warum also oder quasi ein 1 genau ein 1 klare Fragestellung, die man dann weiterbearbeiten muss oder so. Aber sonst, ja, ich finde es eigentlich also als Lebenszyklus von Netzwerken, also am Ende, wenn sie sich aufl\u00f6sen, weil das Ziel erreicht ist oder weil die Befristung einfach vorbei ist, genau, dann macht es eventuell auch das die die Arbeit im Netzwerk ein bisschen gezielter. Mhm. Weil man wei\u00df ja, man kann nicht einfach immer reinschnuppern.\n\nAndere Also es gibt Ich glaube, das ist auch das Sch\u00f6ne daran, dass es so mehrere Arten von Netzwerken gibt und man kann nat\u00fcrlich einige sind so wie Nex zum Beispiel, sind ein bisschen niedrigschwelliger. Man k\u00f6nnte auch jederzeit dabei sein und dann wieder nicht teilnehmen danach. Also es gibt was f\u00fcr f\u00fcr wirklich f\u00fcr alle.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, okay, aber manchmal kann eben eine Befristung auch Sinn machen, w\u00fcrdest Du sagen, jetzt als Ergebnis eurer.\n\nSpeaker 2: Gerade wenn das dann ein Netzwerk innerhalb 1, wenn man so will, 'n gr\u00f6\u00dferes Netzwerk ist, also wohl nichts als auch KGSt ganz besonders, sind ja noch mal gro\u00dfe Organisationen oder gro\u00dfe, bezeichnen wir sie mal als Netzwerk, die auch dann unterschiedliche Innovationszirkel haben und Innovationsnetzwerke dadrunter haben. Und wenn man dann in soner son Unternetzwerk aufl\u00f6st, dann sind die Leute ja nicht weg, ne. Dann k\u00f6nnen sie halt, wenn Du sagst, eigentlich Muss man sie sich wieder neu einfangen, 'n neues Netzwerk Ja. Aufzusetzen, sondern vielleicht da an Genau.\n\nSpeaker 0: Nicht Alumni, aber man hat sonen gr\u00f6\u00dferen Kontext, in dem die Leute dann immer noch rumschwimmen sozusagen Genau. Ne? Auch wenn sich jetzt das eine Netzwerk aufgel\u00f6st hat.\n\nSpeaker 2: Genau.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja. Ja. Ja. Und dann tats\u00e4chlich also damit zusammenh\u00e4ngend ein wichtiger eine wichtige Auswirkung von Netzwerken ist auch, also diese dieser weitere Netzwerkeffekt, quasi das bilaterale und die laterale und auch so informelle Kontakte draus entstehen. Mhm.\n\nDass man also es hei\u00dft ja nicht unbedingt, dass das Netzwerk komplett weg ist, sondern dass ja, dass das vielleicht informell sind, weitergelebt wird und vielleicht zwischen aus also zwischen Personen, die sich noch, wei\u00df ich nicht, noch sich unterst\u00fctzen m\u00f6chten.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Ja, aber ich versuch mir das gerade son bisschen noch auf teilnehmenden Seite vorzustellen und bei diesen Kommunen, ne? Es kann ja sein, das ist schon eine kleine Kommune Mhm. Und ich bin vielleicht der einzige Mensch in meiner Gemeinde, der gerne agil arbeiten m\u00f6chte und alle anderen m\u00f6chten das dann kann's ja auch total sch\u00f6n sein wahrscheinlich, ne, son Netzwerk zu haben und da Gleichgesinnte zu treffen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Auf jeden Fall. Ich glaub, umso spezialisierter oder so, genau, also spezialisierter das Thema ist, desto wichtiger ist das tats\u00e4chlich. Also an Netzwerken teilzunehmen. Weil Du, wenn Du's wenn Du diese Kontakte nicht innerhalb der Organisationen hast, dann dann brauchst Du irgendwie schon Unterst\u00fctzung von au\u00dfen bekommen und einfach nur, Ideen gegenseitig validieren zu lassen, ein bisschen Feedback zu bekommen, so Herausforderungen gemeinsam zu besprechen, dann werden Netzwerke umso wichtiger.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja. Ich glaube, das ist auch 1 der ersten Effekte, die sich dann auf der Haben Seite widerspiegeln. Also das merkt man ja sofort, wenn man da in seiner eigenen Aktion ganz einsam und alleine ist. Und wenigstens mal mit die man reden will, damit man sich sicher sein kann, dass man da vern\u00fcnftige Gedanken weiterentwickelt hat. Also das Feedback kriegt man ja sofort.\n\nDas ist 'n ganz wichtiger Aspekt.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Und ich k\u00f6nnte mir vorstellen, dass das also speziell in der Verwaltung, also vielleicht jetzt weniger in der Start up Szene, aber dass das was ist, was in der Verwaltung durchaus vorkommt, weil wir da einfach in diesen 2 Geschwindigkeiten ja St\u00fcck weit noch leben,\n\nSpeaker 2: ne? Ja, auch in teilweise ja ganz spezialisierte, ausdifferenzierte Zust\u00e4ndigkeiten. Mhm. Also da in dem Paper steht ja auch, dass zum Beispiel Beschaffung nicht als das strategische Instrument wahrgenommen wird, was es eigentlich sei. Ist halt dann ist man f\u00fcr diesen Beschaffungsteil zust\u00e4ndig, alle anderen denken sich vielleicht, reine Formal.\n\nSpeaker 0: Kann ja nicht so schwer sein, das Druckerpapier immer wieder zu stellen.\n\nSpeaker 2: Solche Gedanken dazu kommen wir's besonders schwierig, genau. Aber erst mal, das ist ja auch irgendwie l\u00e4stig und so. Da muss man ja sehr viele Formalier erf\u00fcllen und ja, dann mit den spezifischen Problemen, die es da gibt und da gibt es unendlich viele, sich an Gleichgesinnte und \u00e4hnlich Arbeitende mit denen austauschen zu k\u00f6nnen, ist nat\u00fcrlich total wichtig.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, ja, das kann ich mir vorstellen, ja. Ihr habt jetzt diese ganzen Befragungen gemacht, Liadon. Kann man denn da was sagen wie dieses Netzwerk ist erfolgreich, dieses ist es nicht? Also kann man das \u00fcberhaupt irgendwo festmachen? Also gibt's wie so Erfolgskriterien?\n\nSpeaker 1: Wir haben bewusst keine Erfolgskriterien gelegt, weil wie gesagt, es ging nicht drum, sondern die die Netzwerke ja, als erfolgreich oder nicht erfolgreich zu zu bewerten oder sie miteinander zu zu zu messen zum Beispiel. Ziel des Papers war auch, ein bisschen Klarheit zu stellen quasi, wenn wenn es wenn ein Netzwerk so als genau Innovationsnetzwerk quasi eingestuft werden kann, dann was hat das denn f\u00fcr f\u00fcr Arbeitsweisen und erf\u00fcllt es dann \u00fcberhaupt diese also was f\u00fcr Innovationen werden erzeugt? Was sind dann die wichtigsten Effekte und so? Und das hat man dann gesehen, also zum Beispiel das Wissenstransfer, also laut der Befragung die wichtigste Innovationsform war. Knapp ein Drittel haben das ausgew\u00e4hlt.\n\nAlso tats\u00e4chlich wirken dann alle Netzwerke, kann man, glaube ich, pauschal sagen, also die wir untersucht haben, als Erm\u00f6glicher der Innovation. Also die die setzen Rahmenbedingungen daf\u00fcr. Nat\u00fcrlich k\u00f6nnen die auch schwer selber dann verfolgen, dann wie die Innovationen wirklich umgesetzt werden in den verschiedenen Mitgliedorganisationen. Das w\u00e4r vielleicht ein Punkt, wo es vielleicht noch Potenzial g\u00e4be in der Zukunft, die die Teilnehmenden noch st\u00e4rker zu befragen und 'n bisschen Feedback zu bekommen, was die H\u00fcrden sind dann bei der \u00dcbertragung der Innovationen oder der Ergebnisse aus dem Netzwerk. Aber ich glaube, trotzdem kann man sagen, dass alle Netzwerke, also wenn sie Ziele haben, also dass die dass die diese erf\u00fcllen und die Teilnehmenden sind offensichtlich sehr zufrieden damit.\n\nAlso das ist schon der wichtigste Erfolg wahrscheinlich.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und Du hast am Ende des White Papers auch so, ich glaub 5 Punkte sind's oder so was, ne? So eine Art Takeaway, wo man sich dann, wenn man selber 'n Netzwerk gr\u00fcnden will oder 1 schon hat, son bisschen angucken kann, ah Mensch, da k\u00f6nnt ich mal drauf achten und das w\u00e4r gut.\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau, zum also wir haben die Handlungsempfehlungen in in 2 aufgeteilt. Einmal f\u00fcr Netzwerke, also jetzt f\u00fcr auch f\u00fcr bestehende Netzwerke zum Beispiel oder auch f\u00fcr Teilnehmende an Netzwerken und andererseits f\u00fcr Verwaltungsorganisationen. Weil auf jeden Fall ja ein wichtiger, also die Rahmenbedingungen bei den Organisationen, also bei den Verwaltungen selber quasi, wo die wo die Teilnehmenden herkommen, es sind auch superwichtig f\u00fcr also quasi daf\u00fcr und sind wirklich entscheidend daf\u00fcr, ob und wie also Personen dann oder Verwaltungsbesch\u00e4ftigte an Netzwerken teilnehmen k\u00f6nnen. Und knapp, ich glaub, 60 Prozent der Befragten haben gesagt, sie bekommen ausreichend Unterst\u00fctzung von ihren F\u00fchrungskr\u00e4ften teilzunehmen. Aber das was ja nat\u00fcrlich auch super und erfreulich ist, aber andererseits hei\u00dft es trotzdem, dass 40 Prozent noch nicht ausreichend unterst\u00fctzt werden.\n\nUnd vielleicht nehmen sie trotzdem teil, aber das hei\u00dft trotzdem, dass die Netzwerkarbeit nicht brechend priorisiert oder strategisch genutzt wird. Ja. Also da g\u00e4be es auch seitens der Verwaltungsorganisationen auf jeden Fall mehr Potenzial.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, das ist total interessant, ne? Dieses Weil die eine Frage ist ja, hab ich eine gute Zeit im Netzwerk und nehme ich da was mit? Und die 2. Frage ist ja, kann ich das dann auch umsetzen, da wo ich herkomme sozusagen, ne? Also diese Transmission ist ja 'n bisschen die Frage Genau.\n\nSpeaker 2: Die dann ja auch wieder sehr unterschiedlich schwierig ist.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, genau. Je\n\nSpeaker 2: nachdem, in welchem Bereich ich mich bewege.\n\nSpeaker 0: Wie k\u00f6nnte man das denn verbessern? Schweigen. Ich hab dich Mike angeguckt.\n\nSpeaker 2: Nein, die eine Seite ist sicherlich nat\u00fcrlich die die strategische Priorisierung. Also wenn man aus der Beh\u00f6rde heraus sich das ganz gezielt anguckt und dann halt Handlungsbedarf im Bereich Beschaffung oder im Bereich Agilit\u00e4t sieht und dann ganz gezielt Leute aussucht, die sich dann in diesem Netzwerk engagieren k\u00f6nnen und dann die Idee wieder mitbringen, sie anh\u00f6rt und dann halt auch \u00fcber die Organisation dann wieder reinspielt. Also \u00fcber die Leitung der Organisation im Zweifel wieder reinspielt. Das ist nat\u00fcrlich ein Punkt, der ganz wichtig ist, aber je nach Art der Innovation ist es, st\u00f6\u00dft man dann ja wieder an andere Grenzen. Also bei so Wissensvermittlung ist relativ einfach in Anf\u00fchrungszeichen.\n\nUnd da kann ich ja dann Zusammenfassungen schreiben lassen, vielleicht intern dann noch mal die wesentlichen Ergebnisse pr\u00e4sentieren lassen oder was auch immer, das in die Organisation wieder reinzuspielen. Bei Prozessen wird's dann schon schwieriger. Mhm. Dann muss ich ja an meiner Arbeitsweise irgendwie was \u00e4ndern. Ist auch noch ganz gut vorstellbar, wenn es dann Produkteninnovationen geht.\n\nAlso wenn ich zum Beispiel diese Gewaltwahrnehmung im \u00f6ffentlichen Raum, dann brauche ich die Technologie, dann muss ich das installieren. Da habe ich dann viel, viel h\u00f6here H\u00fcrden diese dieser Umsetzung. Aber ich denke schon, der Schl\u00fcssel ist erst mal Priorisierung der der Leitung, ganz gezielt das als Ressource zu machen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Also im Idealfall, um's jetzt noch mal zusammenzufassen, w\u00fcrde es dann vielleicht zulaufen, dass ich hab eine F\u00fchrungskraft, die F\u00fchrungskraft wei\u00df, welche Netzwerke es gibt. Sagt mir, die ich Beschaffung mache, geh doch mal dahin, das k\u00f6nnte spannend sein. Ich geborene dir 'n Tag frei sozusagen. Und wenn die dann zur\u00fcckkommt von dem von dem Treffen, dann sagt sie, Mensch spannend, erz\u00e4hl mal, was war da was ist da passiert? Aber es gibt ja auch den anderen Fall\n\nSpeaker 2: Das ist die Traumkonstellation. Genau.\n\nSpeaker 0: Also die aber die der andere Fall w\u00e4re, Netzwerk ist mein Privatvergn\u00fcgen. Ich hab das irgendwo mal geh\u00f6rt. Ich geh da hin und treff da vielleicht noch 'n Kollegen, der 3 T\u00fcren weitersitzt und wusste gar nicht, dass der auch in dem Netzwerk ist. Das gibt's auch, ne?\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau. Das das hat man auch gesehen aus ein paar Netzwerken. Genau, Dass es tats\u00e4chlich an interner Abstimmung manchmal mangelt, dass die Leute sich nicht absprechen, wer ist dann dabei aus der Organisation. Was auch vielleicht nicht schlecht ist, aber ich glaube, es w\u00e4r dann schon gut, dann ein bisschen mehr Transparenz reinzubringen und vielleicht auch bei der Dokumentation der Ergebnisse dann eben tats\u00e4chlich das Wissen, also wie Du jetzt quasi in diesem Beispiel erl\u00e4utert hast, das Wissen dann, das aus dem oder die Informationen, die aus dem Netzwerk kommen, dann mit 'nem Kollegen zu teilen im breitesten Sinne.\n\nSpeaker 0: Also das hei\u00dft, ich w\u00fcrde sagen, unser Netzwerkfazit ist, es gibt vieles da drau\u00dfen und man muss es gut nutzen.\n\nSpeaker 2: Man kann es noch besser nutzen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Man kann es noch besser nutzen. Genau. Man kann es noch besser nutzen. Und es lohnt sich.\n\nSpeaker 2: Es\n\nSpeaker 1: lohnt sich auf jeden Fall, ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: Das war unser Beitrag zum Wissenstransfer in Sachen Innovationsnetzwerke. Das Whitepaper Innovationsnetzwerke in der \u00f6ffentlichen Verwaltung finden Sie auf unserer Webseite \u00f6fid Punkt d e mit o e geschrieben. Ich danke meinen beiden G\u00e4sten, Liadon Sage, wissenschaftliche Mitarbeiterin am Kompetenzzentrum \u00f6ffentlicher IT und Mike Weber, stellvertretender Leiter des \u00f6fit. Mein Name ist Franziska Walser. 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Es ist also jetzt 'n bisschen zugespitzt, aber ist es so? Ja, es ist auf jeden Fall ganz wichtig, dass es ein auch eine Erkenntnis aus aus unserer Studie jetzt, dass es auf jeden Fall so eine 1 starke Themensetzung braucht in dem Netzwerk. 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Also ich glaub, die Marcus angesprochen hat auf jeden Fall die zusammen also die Zusammenf\u00fchrung von Expertinnen aus verschiedenen Bereichen. Also jetzt gerade, wenn's die aditsue Technikgestaltung geht, dann mussten nat\u00fcrlich zwangsl\u00e4ufig au\u00dferhalb auch der der der Polizeien auch so Experten aus Wissenschaft und Zivilgesellschaft", "words": [{"word": "mhm", "start": 1163.56, "end": 1163.8, "confidence": 0.8691406, "punctuated_word": "Mhm.", "speaker": 0, "speaker_confidence": 0.041612983}, {"word": "also", "start": 1163.8, "end": 1164.04, "confidence": 0.9970703, "punctuated_word": "Also", "speaker": 1, "speaker_confidence": 0.7498899}, {"word": "ich", "start": 1164.04, "end": 1164.12, "confidence": 0.9707031, "punctuated_word": "ich", "speaker": 1, "speaker_confidence": 0.7498899}, {"word": "glaub", "start": 1164.12, "end": 1164.36, "confidence": 0.94677734, "punctuated_word": "glaub,", "speaker": 1, "speaker_confidence": 0.7498899}, {"word": "die", "start": 1164.36, "end": 1164.52, "confidence": 0.8857422, "punctuated_word": "die", "speaker": 1, "speaker_confidence": 0.7498899}, {"word": "marcus", "start": 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Kann man denn da was sagen wie dieses Netzwerk ist erfolgreich, dieses ist es nicht? Also kann man das \u00fcberhaupt irgendwo festmachen? 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